I also share Jean-Jacques concern about reversal of a clear consensus from the meeting. I don't attribute any real problems or motives to this, I just think we need to be careful making declarations about a "new" consensus that suddenly overrules or changes a clear and formal consensus that was reached with almost everyone in the room - which this "new" consensus is based on essentially two email messages on this list. Again, don't want to come across as suspicious or negative, but let's just avoid falling into rather obvious pitfalls that can become problematic or troublesome when the stakes are much higher. -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:36 PM To: joseph alhadeff Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chairs revised draft 2.0 Hi all, I share the concern of Jean-Jacques about the constitution of the group of chairs, and the need for diversity (which I spoke to during the meeting). Sorry if I also missed the opportunity to respond while the discussion was underway (due to travel) but I think this is important and we should take the time necessary to gain a fuller consensus on these questions. Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 25 Jul 2014, at 12:15 am, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Jean-Jacques, Colleagues:
We will need to come to operating agreements related to online process. Specific dates were set for comment. Proposals were made for the change and seconded by the only people who bothered to comment. Requests of reaction to the proposal were made which generated no reply beyond similar reaffirmation. What is our online consensus process if not taking into account comments made? If those who do not agree don't comment I'm not sure how that is to be intuited or factored. There is no humming or "thumbs up" online and I cautioned that silence would be interpreted s assent and still no comments. This needs to be an active and participative group. How would you propose achieving consensus on new proposals/amendments?
Joe On 7/24/2014 9:54 AM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Hello Joe,
the reason I have not "reconfirmed" is that, as a representative of the ALAC, I cannot agree to the fact that the decision taken in London (3 Co-Chairs) has been modified in several iterations (one Chair, one Chair + Alternate(s), Chair and sub-Chairs...) without full consensus. There is no point in replying to a subsidiary question, such as my candidacy, before questions of principle have been properly dealt with (as things stand today, heavy representation of one citizenship and of business -in various guises- in the Coordination Group, content of our current draft Charter, the "technical" nature of the exercise to be dealt with only or chiefly by the "technical" and business entities, image that an unbalanced Group would give to the global Internet community, the risk that this may contribute to a misrepresentation of the true motivation of the USG, etc).
Because of their non-anecdotal nature, I have referred these points to the ALAC, and am awaiting instructions.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "joseph alhadeff" <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> À: internal-cg@icann.org Envoyé: Jeudi 24 Juillet 2014 13:51:22 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Co-chairs revised draft 2.0
Colleagues - as we March to Noon UTC, I wanted to provide and update on volunteers and one more look at the proposed final paper (attached for your reference).
To date the following information exists on our volunteers and their positions of interest:
Alissa Cooper - Chair
Keith Drazek - Alternate
Patrik Faltstrom - Alternate
Russ Housley - reconfirmed interest, but position not specified
Jean-Jacques Subrenat - has not reconfirmed.
Best,
Joe
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