This is a reminder to complete the chair structure poll if you have not already (deadline is July 30 at 20:00 UTC): http://tinyurl.com/pgufgjh I realize some folks find this controversial, but we have only 11 responses so far out of 30 and it would be good to get more complete information about the group’s views on this topic. Thanks, Alissa On 7/25/14, 1:46 PM, "Alissa Cooper" <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
I have taken Joe’s suggestion and created a poll concerning chair structure [1]:
I suggest we set a deadline of July 30 at 20:00 UTC for people to respond to the poll. After that, we can create another poll for actually selecting people, or take an email vote, or work it out by some other mechanism that we can figure out next week.
The responses to the chair structure poll will be publicly visible here [2]: http://tinyurl.com/ptrr2m6
I appreciate that we are still figuring out the details of our processes and consensus mechanisms. We did have support for the three co-chair structure in London, and now we appear to have some support for other models, so I think in this bootstrapping phase we should be at least a bit flexible and take a little more time to determine a structure that has broad support. I also recognize that we’ve had a variety of deadlines suggested for different aspects of this chair selection issue, but my sense from the list discussion is that resolving this structure question mid-next-week and the actual personnel selection shortly thereafter will work while I continue as interim chair.
Please fill out the chair structure poll by July 30 at 20:00 UTC and we’ll take it from there.
Thanks, Alissa
[1] Full URL is here (I used tinyurl to avoid line-break problems): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1gngAa7fjboC9y2zdKs7rmH9H08RLyW7Qv4hE1Dj0D 2 Y/viewform
[2] Full URL: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xJkGxBRu6BBPX9XSTCRQNblNG7QEE-RllG R 9ZCvvY8g/edit#gid=1350424468
On 7/25/14, 9:53 AM, "Jon Nevett" <jon@donuts.co> wrote:
I'm sure that the ICANN staff folks could do it if we agree on the questions to ask and that the exercise is worthwhile. Best, jon
On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
While I have used doodle I have not set one up, so i would invite anyone so inclined to go forth and doodle. I would however remind everyone that we have a 2 stage question:
1. Composition of Chairs - Three co-chairs or Chair/Alternate+ volunteers 2. Who will serve.
Thanks
Joe On 7/25/2014 8:45 AM, Jon Nevett wrote:
Joe:
In various ICANN fora, we have used Doodle polls to determine substantive issues in addition to scheduling meetings. It's a relatively quick way to get a sense of the group and it might be appropriate in this situation.
Best,
Jon
On Jul 25, 2014, at 8:34 AM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Colleagues:
Alissa is already interim chair, as of London. I assume she has been somewhat silent on the topic because of what might be considered a conflict of interest.
One point was clear in London however, the Chair does not determine unilaterally what is consensus except for the administrative matters related to running meetings. Where no consensus emerges, the Chair leads a process of coming to consensus. That is different than determining consensus. Thus, I would have to take exception to Patrik's solution of the appointment of one chair resolves the process issue. Furthermore, in this case it might be difficult for the Interim Chair to run the process of consensus related to her possibly becoming chair...
I would however suggest, that each of us bears a participatory responsibility. If we don't agree with a proposal we must step forward with opposing or differing views. Those views need to be made known at the earliest opportunity. If this constructive participation does not emerge then our mission is doomed from the outset. My suggestion would be that each decision point provide a fixed time, not less than a week, for consultation. With the exception of consensus on the proposals, which should be more carefully judged, each proposal would then achieve consensus by having a preponderance of the communities entitled to vote (each of the separate groups identified in Patrik's list, excluding liaisons) support it. Comments may also suggest the need for more time to consult on the decision or raise the importance of the issue to justify a more deliberative process. I am fine with the interim chair or secretariat acting as the collection point of views, but they should also be copied to the list for transparency. For the Chair function, it might be best to keep posting to the list.
I know folks wanted to avoid levels of bureaucracy, but I prefer established process to endless cycles of review with no potential to conclude... Equally happy to entertain other proposals.
Jean-Jacques - you indicated you were consulting with colleagues, can you say when the group will provide an opinion? Open-ended timelines will not help us develop efficient process or workflows.
Best-
Joe
On 7/25/2014 7:17 AM, WUKnoben wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
I acknowledge the different views on 1. discussing and solving more principle questions about role and number of (co-) chairs and 2. continuing the work of the ICG where the chair shall be given a focal role on taking initiatives and organization
Both seems equally necessary. In this regard I suggest to appoint Alissa as Interim Chair with chairperson authorization as described by Patrik until we've finished the principle questions and a following (co-) chair selection.
Best regards
Wolf-Ulrich
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Subrenat, Jean-Jacques Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:32 AM To: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Dear Colleagues,
this is to inform you that the ALAC will be sending its observations shortly, not only on the structure of the Coordination Group, but also on other matters of importance.
In the meantime, the ALAC respectfully requests that decisions concerning the roles of individual members not be taken before some questions of principle have been adequately addressed.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques.
----- Mail original ----- De: "Narelle Clark" <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> À: "Paul Wilson" <pwilson@apnic.net>, "Patrik Fältström" <paf@frobbit.se> Cc: "ICG Internal" <internal-cg@icann.org> Envoyé: Vendredi 25 Juillet 2014 08:45:51 Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, on those conditions, I also support Alissa's appointment.
Best regards
Narelle Clark
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, 25 July 2014 4:42 PM To: Patrik Fältström Cc: ICG Internal Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Appointment of Alissa Cooper as chair of ICG
Thanks Patrik, I support.
On 25 Jul 2014, at 4:40 pm, Patrik Fältström <paf@frobbit.se> wrote:
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