Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps?
This is relevant to some of the questions Wolf-Ulrich has raised about implementation, so I’m forwarding it. Begin forwarded message:
From: Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> Subject: Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps? Date: January 26, 2015 at 6:12:27 PM PST To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Cc: "ianaxfer@nro.net" <ianaxfer@nro.net>
Hello Seun and colleagues on the IANAXFER list,
Thank you once again Seun for your question about the next steps. I think this is a useful question for others in the community as well.
As you are aware, our proposal to the ICG describes high level principles about the Review Committee and the SLA including "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" in the proposal, so RIRs will consider implementation based on this guidance.
Our role as the CRISP team is to provide guidance to the RIRs in the implementation of the proposal, and the details and process of implementation of the proposal is the responsibility of the RIRs. The charter of the review committee and actual contract text are part of implementation of the proposal which is the responsibility of the RIRs.
Having said this, the CRISP Team believes it is important for the community to have clear visibility that RIRs acknowledges this proposal which references actions by them.
Therefore, after Step2 of the ICG's latest timeline, when the proposals by all three operational communities are consolidated by the ICG, the CRISP Team plans to formally inform the executives of the RIRs about the proposal submitted to the ICG which references actions by the RIRs.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-process-timeline-07jan15-en....
We expect that there will be formal acknowledgement from the five RIRs about this, so it is clear to the community that the RIRs will take the appropriate steps to implement the proposal from the Number Resources community. We trust each RIR will consult with their respective communities as needed in preparing the SLA, and the Review Committee is to be established in an open and bottom-up manner, as we have described in the proposal.
I hope this clarifies the role of the CRISP team and RIRs in future steps.
Regards, Izumi Okutani The CRISP Team
On 2015/01/22 23:45, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Great thanks for the first level clarification Izumi.
Cheers!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> wrote:
Hello Seun,
Just from what I can answer for now,
- SLA requirements
"IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" are described in Section III.A.3 of our proposal, as you are probably aware. This lists principles and elements to be included in the SLA.
Both of the processes listed below will be lead by the RIRs and not the CRISP Team. I trust the RIRs will start the process, so that we have these them ready before the transition.
- Charter of review committee - Contract actual text
I need to double check if there is anything more we can say at this stage as the CRISP Team - Thanks for your question and patience!
Regards, Izumi
On 2015/01/22 13:29, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Izumi,
You may have missed this mail, could you/or any crisp team kindly provide update?
Just to clarify (in line of recent development), not all the 3 items are expected to be developed by this WG but will be good to know when those processes will start.
Thanks
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Jan 2015 09:37, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Izumi, CRISP team
Thanks again to you and the entire team. I just want to ask about what the next line of action will be? i.e are we to wait until the ICG release their final proposal? or while we wait on ICG, we also start the drafting process for the following:
- Charter of review committee - SLA requirements - Contract actual text
Thanks as i look forward to your response
Regards
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The key to understanding is humility - my view !
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Thanks Alissa, here I understand Izumi describing the responsibilities of CRISP vs RIRs. Depending on the level of implementation details needed for the proposal further action may be required (e.g. draft charter of the Review Committee). Looking forward to here you later Wolf-Ulrich From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:44 PM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps? This is relevant to some of the questions Wolf-Ulrich has raised about implementation, so I’m forwarding it. Begin forwarded message: From: Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> Subject: Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps? Date: January 26, 2015 at 6:12:27 PM PST To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Cc: "ianaxfer@nro.net" <ianaxfer@nro.net> Hello Seun and colleagues on the IANAXFER list, Thank you once again Seun for your question about the next steps. I think this is a useful question for others in the community as well. As you are aware, our proposal to the ICG describes high level principles about the Review Committee and the SLA including "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" in the proposal, so RIRs will consider implementation based on this guidance. Our role as the CRISP team is to provide guidance to the RIRs in the implementation of the proposal, and the details and process of implementation of the proposal is the responsibility of the RIRs. The charter of the review committee and actual contract text are part of implementation of the proposal which is the responsibility of the RIRs. Having said this, the CRISP Team believes it is important for the community to have clear visibility that RIRs acknowledges this proposal which references actions by them. Therefore, after Step2 of the ICG's latest timeline, when the proposals by all three operational communities are consolidated by the ICG, the CRISP Team plans to formally inform the executives of the RIRs about the proposal submitted to the ICG which references actions by the RIRs. https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-process-timeline-07jan15-en.... We expect that there will be formal acknowledgement from the five RIRs about this, so it is clear to the community that the RIRs will take the appropriate steps to implement the proposal from the Number Resources community. We trust each RIR will consult with their respective communities as needed in preparing the SLA, and the Review Committee is to be established in an open and bottom-up manner, as we have described in the proposal. I hope this clarifies the role of the CRISP team and RIRs in future steps. Regards, Izumi Okutani The CRISP Team On 2015/01/22 23:45, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Great thanks for the first level clarification Izumi. Cheers! On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> wrote: Hello Seun, Just from what I can answer for now, - SLA requirements "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" are described in Section III.A.3 of our proposal, as you are probably aware. This lists principles and elements to be included in the SLA. Both of the processes listed below will be lead by the RIRs and not the CRISP Team. I trust the RIRs will start the process, so that we have these them ready before the transition. - Charter of review committee - Contract actual text I need to double check if there is anything more we can say at this stage as the CRISP Team - Thanks for your question and patience! Regards, Izumi On 2015/01/22 13:29, Seun Ojedeji wrote: Hello Izumi, You may have missed this mail, could you/or any crisp team kindly provide update? Just to clarify (in line of recent development), not all the 3 items are expected to be developed by this WG but will be good to know when those processes will start. Thanks sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Jan 2015 09:37, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Izumi, CRISP team Thanks again to you and the entire team. I just want to ask about what the next line of action will be? i.e are we to wait until the ICG release their final proposal? or while we wait on ICG, we also start the drafting process for the following: - Charter of review committee - SLA requirements - Contract actual text Thanks as i look forward to your response Regards -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng>* The key to understanding is humility - my view ! _______________________________________________ ianaxfer mailing list ianaxfer@nro.net https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:
Thanks Alissa,
here I understand Izumi describing the responsibilities of CRISP vs RIRs.
Yes, and also the important note about them awaiting the conclusion of our Step 2 assessment. Alissa
Depending on the level of implementation details needed for the proposal further action may be required (e.g. draft charter of the Review Committee).
Looking forward to here you later
Wolf-Ulrich
From: Alissa Cooper Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:44 PM To: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps?
This is relevant to some of the questions Wolf-Ulrich has raised about implementation, so I’m forwarding it.
Begin forwarded message:
From: Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> Subject: Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps? Date: January 26, 2015 at 6:12:27 PM PST To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> Cc: "ianaxfer@nro.net" <ianaxfer@nro.net>
Hello Seun and colleagues on the IANAXFER list,
Thank you once again Seun for your question about the next steps. I think this is a useful question for others in the community as well.
As you are aware, our proposal to the ICG describes high level principles about the Review Committee and the SLA including "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" in the proposal, so RIRs will consider implementation based on this guidance.
Our role as the CRISP team is to provide guidance to the RIRs in the implementation of the proposal, and the details and process of implementation of the proposal is the responsibility of the RIRs. The charter of the review committee and actual contract text are part of implementation of the proposal which is the responsibility of the RIRs.
Having said this, the CRISP Team believes it is important for the community to have clear visibility that RIRs acknowledges this proposal which references actions by them.
Therefore, after Step2 of the ICG's latest timeline, when the proposals by all three operational communities are consolidated by the ICG, the CRISP Team plans to formally inform the executives of the RIRs about the proposal submitted to the ICG which references actions by the RIRs.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-process-timeline-07jan15-en....
We expect that there will be formal acknowledgement from the five RIRs about this, so it is clear to the community that the RIRs will take the appropriate steps to implement the proposal from the Number Resources community. We trust each RIR will consult with their respective communities as needed in preparing the SLA, and the Review Committee is to be established in an open and bottom-up manner, as we have described in the proposal.
I hope this clarifies the role of the CRISP team and RIRs in future steps.
Regards, Izumi Okutani The CRISP Team
On 2015/01/22 23:45, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Great thanks for the first level clarification Izumi.
Cheers!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> wrote:
Hello Seun,
Just from what I can answer for now,
- SLA requirements
"IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" are described in Section III.A.3 of our proposal, as you are probably aware. This lists principles and elements to be included in the SLA.
Both of the processes listed below will be lead by the RIRs and not the CRISP Team. I trust the RIRs will start the process, so that we have these them ready before the transition.
- Charter of review committee - Contract actual text
I need to double check if there is anything more we can say at this stage as the CRISP Team - Thanks for your question and patience!
Regards, Izumi
On 2015/01/22 13:29, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Izumi,
You may have missed this mail, could you/or any crisp team kindly provide update?
Just to clarify (in line of recent development), not all the 3 items are expected to be developed by this WG but will be good to know when those processes will start.
Thanks
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Jan 2015 09:37, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Izumi, CRISP team
Thanks again to you and the entire team. I just want to ask about what the next line of action will be? i.e are we to wait until the ICG release their final proposal? or while we wait on ICG, we also start the drafting process for the following:
- Charter of review committee - SLA requirements - Contract actual text
Thanks as i look forward to your response
Regards
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The key to understanding is humility - my view !
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Step 2 ,ICG Assessement of Cummunity proposals Dear Vice chair, May you please ask Jari and Alan Barretor Paul Wilson to provide the foloowings; A COMPARATIVE Table indicating the prcess of accountability currently in force and implemented and those which will be required after Transitiion. It would be useful to have that comparative Table enabling ICG Members to better undersatnd how the accountability of Protocol Parameter and Numbers are affected by Transition. The reports of these two communities are difficult to make such a comparision. Without that I will have serious difficulties to comment on the exacteness and appropriateness of the content of these two comminities on accountability before and after transition. By the way, Jari promised to provide a graphic Diagram regarding internal accountability being carried out by IETF mOREOVER, aLAN bARRET / Paul Wilson ,are respectfully requested to provide similar graphic Diagram about the accountability currently in force in RIRs ,in particular that RIRs have a more decentralized process of five regional communities and the overall accountabilities of the entire Rir s are not clear Rergards KAVOUSS 2015-02-24 22:36 GMT+01:00 Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>:
On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de> wrote:
Thanks Alissa,
here I understand Izumi describing the responsibilities of CRISP vs RIRs.
Yes, and also the important note about them awaiting the conclusion of our Step 2 assessment.
Alissa
Depending on the level of implementation details needed for the proposal further action may be required (e.g. draft charter of the Review Committee).
Looking forward to here you later
Wolf-Ulrich
*From:* Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:44 PM *To:* ICG <internal-cg@icann.org> *Subject:* [Internal-cg] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps?
This is relevant to some of the questions Wolf-Ulrich has raised about implementation, so I’m forwarding it.
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> *Subject: **Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps?* *Date: *January 26, 2015 at 6:12:27 PM PST *To: *Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> *Cc: *"ianaxfer@nro.net" <ianaxfer@nro.net>
Hello Seun and colleagues on the IANAXFER list,
Thank you once again Seun for your question about the next steps. I think this is a useful question for others in the community as well.
As you are aware, our proposal to the ICG describes high level principles about the Review Committee and the SLA including "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" in the proposal, so RIRs will consider implementation based on this guidance.
Our role as the CRISP team is to provide guidance to the RIRs in the implementation of the proposal, and the details and process of implementation of the proposal is the responsibility of the RIRs. The charter of the review committee and actual contract text are part of implementation of the proposal which is the responsibility of the RIRs.
Having said this, the CRISP Team believes it is important for the community to have clear visibility that RIRs acknowledges this proposal which references actions by them.
Therefore, after Step2 of the ICG's latest timeline, when the proposals by all three operational communities are consolidated by the ICG, the CRISP Team plans to formally inform the executives of the RIRs about the proposal submitted to the ICG which references actions by the RIRs.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-process-timeline-07jan15-en....
We expect that there will be formal acknowledgement from the five RIRs about this, so it is clear to the community that the RIRs will take the appropriate steps to implement the proposal from the Number Resources community. We trust each RIR will consult with their respective communities as needed in preparing the SLA, and the Review Committee is to be established in an open and bottom-up manner, as we have described in the proposal.
I hope this clarifies the role of the CRISP team and RIRs in future steps.
Regards, Izumi Okutani The CRISP Team
On 2015/01/22 23:45, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Great thanks for the first level clarification Izumi.
Cheers!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp> wrote:
Hello Seun,
Just from what I can answer for now,
- SLA requirements
"IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" are described in Section III.A.3 of our proposal, as you are probably aware. This lists principles and elements to be included in the SLA.
Both of the processes listed below will be lead by the RIRs and not the CRISP Team. I trust the RIRs will start the process, so that we have these them ready before the transition.
- Charter of review committee - Contract actual text
I need to double check if there is anything more we can say at this stage as the CRISP Team - Thanks for your question and patience!
Regards, Izumi
On 2015/01/22 13:29, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Izumi,
You may have missed this mail, could you/or any crisp team kindly provide update?
Just to clarify (in line of recent development), not all the 3 items are expected to be developed by this WG but will be good to know when those processes will start.
Thanks
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Jan 2015 09:37, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Izumi, CRISP team
Thanks again to you and the entire team. I just want to ask about what
the
next line of action will be? i.e are we to wait until the ICG release
their
final proposal? or while we wait on ICG, we also start the drafting
process
for the following:
- Charter of review committee - SLA requirements - Contract actual text
Thanks as i look forward to your response
Regards
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile:
+2348035233535**alt
email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng>*
The key to understanding is humility - my view !
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Kavouss, a good summary of RIR accountability across all regions is at https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-governance-matrix This is looks pretty clear to me. What is it in particular that is unclear to you here? Daniel On 1.03.15 10:08 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
Step 2 ,ICG Assessement of Cummunity proposals Dear Vice chair, May you please ask Jari and Alan Barretor Paul Wilson to provide the foloowings; A COMPARATIVE Table indicating the prcess of accountability currently in force and implemented and those which will be required after Transitiion. It would be useful to have that comparative Table enabling ICG Members to better undersatnd how the accountability of Protocol Parameter and Numbers are affected by Transition. The reports of these two communities are difficult to make such a comparision. Without that I will have serious difficulties to comment on the exacteness and appropriateness of the content of these two comminities on accountability before and after transition. By the way, Jari promised to provide a graphic Diagram regarding internal accountability being carried out by IETF mOREOVER, aLAN bARRET / Paul Wilson ,are respectfully requested to provide similar graphic Diagram about the accountability currently in force in RIRs ,in particular that RIRs have a more decentralized process of five regional communities and the overall accountabilities of the entire Rir s are not clear Rergards KAVOUSS
2015-02-24 22:36 GMT+01:00 Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in <mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>>:
On Feb 24, 2015, at 1:09 PM, WUKnoben <wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de <mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de>> wrote:
Thanks Alissa, here I understand Izumi describing the responsibilities of CRISP vs RIRs.
Yes, and also the important note about them awaiting the conclusion of our Step 2 assessment.
Alissa
Depending on the level of implementation details needed for the proposal further action may be required (e.g. draft charter of the Review Committee).
Looking forward to here you later
Wolf-Ulrich
*From:* Alissa Cooper <mailto:alissa@cooperw.in> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 9:44 PM *To:* ICG <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> *Subject:* [Internal-cg] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps? This is relevant to some of the questions Wolf-Ulrich has raised about implementation, so I’m forwarding it. Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp <mailto:izumi@nic.ad.jp>> *Subject: **Re: [NRO-IANAXFER] Next steps?* *Date: *January 26, 2015 at 6:12:27 PM PST *To: *Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> *Cc: *"ianaxfer@nro.net <mailto:ianaxfer@nro.net>" <ianaxfer@nro.net <mailto:ianaxfer@nro.net>> Hello Seun and colleagues on the IANAXFER list,
Thank you once again Seun for your question about the next steps. I think this is a useful question for others in the community as well.
As you are aware, our proposal to the ICG describes high level principles about the Review Committee and the SLA including "IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" in the proposal, so RIRs will consider implementation based on this guidance.
Our role as the CRISP team is to provide guidance to the RIRs in the implementation of the proposal, and the details and process of implementation of the proposal is the responsibility of the RIRs. The charter of the review committee and actual contract text are part of implementation of the proposal which is the responsibility of the RIRs.
Having said this, the CRISP Team believes it is important for the community to have clear visibility that RIRs acknowledges this proposal which references actions by them.
Therefore, after Step2 of the ICG's latest timeline, when the proposals by all three operational communities are consolidated by the ICG, the CRISP Team plans to formally inform the executives of the RIRs about the proposal submitted to the ICG which references actions by the RIRs.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/icg-process-timeline-07jan15-en....
We expect that there will be formal acknowledgement from the five RIRs about this, so it is clear to the community that the RIRs will take the appropriate steps to implement the proposal from the Number Resources community. We trust each RIR will consult with their respective communities as needed in preparing the SLA, and the Review Committee is to be established in an open and bottom-up manner, as we have described in the proposal.
I hope this clarifies the role of the CRISP team and RIRs in future steps.
Regards, Izumi Okutani The CRISP Team
On 2015/01/22 23:45, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Great thanks for the first level clarification Izumi.
Cheers!
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Izumi Okutani <izumi@nic.ad.jp <mailto:izumi@nic.ad.jp>> wrote:
Hello Seun,
Just from what I can answer for now,
> - SLA requirements
"IANA Service Level Agreement Principles" are described in Section III.A.3 of our proposal, as you are probably aware. This lists principles and elements to be included in the SLA.
Both of the processes listed below will be lead by the RIRs and not the CRISP Team. I trust the RIRs will start the process, so that we have these them ready before the transition.
> - Charter of review committee > - Contract actual text
I need to double check if there is anything more we can say at this stage as the CRISP Team - Thanks for your question and patience!
Regards, Izumi
On 2015/01/22 13:29, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
Hello Izumi,
You may have missed this mail, could you/or any crisp team kindly provide update?
Just to clarify (in line of recent development), not all the 3 items are expected to be developed by this WG but will be good to know when those processes will start.
Thanks
sent from Google nexus 4 kindly excuse brevity and typos. On 21 Jan 2015 09:37, "Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello Izumi, CRISP team > > Thanks again to you and the entire team. I just want to ask > about what
the
> next line of action will be? i.e are we to wait until the ICG > release their > final proposal? or while we wait on ICG, we also start the > drafting process > for the following: > > - Charter of review committee > - SLA requirements > - Contract actual text > > Thanks as i look forward to your response > > Regards > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: > http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/> > <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/>> Mobile: +2348035233535 <tel:%2B2348035233535>**alt > email: <http://goog_1872880453 > <http://goog_1872880453/>>seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng > <mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng> > <seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng <mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng>>* > > The key to understanding is humility - my view ! > > >
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