Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure.
Colleagues: I may be confused here, but it seemed that we had come to a compromise of trying to take diversity into account in the 1+2 formulation. GAC wanted a breadth of representation for participaton, decision-making and review, we are just looking at meeting organisation in Chairs/vice chairs for which too many people may well be counter productive... Best- Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: glaser@cgi.br To: jjs@dyalog.net, internal-cg@icann.org Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:40:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure. +1 If we accept 5 members from GAC to have better regional representation, I support the same arguments for the 1 chair + 4 vice-chairs proposal from ALAC . best Hartmut ======================================== On 07/08/14 05:01, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
as announced yesterday, I am now forwarding a proposal that the ALAC has developed for the Chair structure of our group.
As you remember, in London the ALAC representatives were among the first to support the enlargement of the GAC contingent from 2 to 5, while ensuring that the ALAC, as a token of its commitment to keep the size of our group close to what it was, would not seek a similar privilege for itself.
The ALAC's call for implementing the decision taken in London (3 Co-Chairs) was based on stated principles: diversity, adequate representation, fairness. While maintaining these principles, the ALAC is keen to help our process along by proposing a new structure, incorporating these principles as well as some elements discussed online since the London meeting.
Here is the ALAC proposal:
- Chair + 4 Vice-Chairs, these 5 being from the 5 different regions (as per ICANN practice).
- No region or citizenship may occupy more than one of these positions. There shall be no automatic entitlement of any region to the position of Chair.
- Process: - Interim Chair is requested to launch a call for candidates for the 5 positions on the leadership team. It is suggested that these should reach Interim Chair by Monday 11 August at 23:59 UTC. - Interim Chair would then publish the list of candidates, each with her/his relevant data (full name, business or other affiliation, organization represented, region, citizenship), and set a date for the vote. - The result of the vote to be published immediately, and the new leadership to convene as soon as possible.
In order to ensure adequate representation of the global Internet user community, Jean-Jacques Subrenat (European region, citizen of France) has decided to withdraw his candidacy for the position of Co-Chair, and is nominating Mohamed El-Bashir (African region, citizen of Sudan) for Vice-Chair. Mohamed has accepted to be nominated, and his candidacy is endorsed by the ALAC.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques. _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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Dear All, We have reached consensus anbout 1+ 2 yet. Yes the majority is infavour of that but not yet any consensus merged There are other points that we need to discuss. I prosed a package deal the détails of which will be sub,mitted soon It seems to me that the chair isd from IETF, one vice chair from DNS, the other from Numberting these are the three major issues However, there are other issues that were not mentioned in the charter . I will come back to you . Regards Kavouss 2014-08-09 22:23 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>:
Colleagues:
I may be confused here, but it seemed that we had come to a compromise of trying to take diversity into account in the 1+2 formulation. GAC wanted a breadth of representation for participaton, decision-making and review, we are just looking at meeting organisation in Chairs/vice chairs for which too many people may well be counter productive...
Best-
Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: glaser@cgi.br To: jjs@dyalog.net, internal-cg@icann.org Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:40:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure.
+1
If we accept 5 members from GAC to have better regional representation, I support the same arguments for the 1 chair + 4 vice-chairs proposal from ALAC .
best
Hartmut
======================================== On 07/08/14 05:01, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
as announced yesterday, I am now forwarding a proposal that the ALAC has developed for the Chair structure of our group.
As you remember, in London the ALAC representatives were among the first to support the enlargement of the GAC contingent from 2 to 5, while ensuring that the ALAC, as a token of its commitment to keep the size of our group close to what it was, would not seek a similar privilege for itself.
The ALAC's call for implementing the decision taken in London (3 Co-Chairs) was based on stated principles: diversity, adequate representation, fairness. While maintaining these principles, the ALAC is keen to help our process along by proposing a new structure, incorporating these principles as well as some elements discussed online since the London meeting.
Here is the ALAC proposal:
- Chair + 4 Vice-Chairs, these 5 being from the 5 different regions (as per ICANN practice).
- No region or citizenship may occupy more than one of these positions. There shall be no automatic entitlement of any region to the position of Chair.
- Process: - Interim Chair is requested to launch a call for candidates for the 5 positions on the leadership team. It is suggested that these should reach Interim Chair by Monday 11 August at 23:59 UTC. - Interim Chair would then publish the list of candidates, each with her/his relevant data (full name, business or other affiliation, organization represented, region, citizenship), and set a date for the vote. - The result of the vote to be published immediately, and the new leadership to convene as soon as possible.
In order to ensure adequate representation of the global Internet user community, Jean-Jacques Subrenat (European region, citizen of France) has decided to withdraw his candidacy for the position of Co-Chair, and is nominating Mohamed El-Bashir (African region, citizen of Sudan) for Vice-Chair. Mohamed has accepted to be nominated, and his candidacy is endorsed by the ALAC.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques. _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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Dear All, We have NOT reached consensus anbout 1+ 2 yet. Yes, the majority is infavour of that but not yet any consensus merged There are other points that we need to discuss. I proposed a package deal the détails of which will be submitted soon It seems to me that the chair is from IETF, one vice chair from DNS, the other from Numberting these are the three major issues However, there are other issues that were not mentioned in the charter . I will come back to you . Regards Kavouss 2014-08-09 22:33 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Dear All, We have reached consensus anbout 1+ 2 yet. Yes the majority is infavour of that but not yet any consensus merged There are other points that we need to discuss. I prosed a package deal the détails of which will be sub,mitted soon It seems to me that the chair isd from IETF, one vice chair from DNS, the other from Numberting these are the three major issues However, there are other issues that were not mentioned in the charter . I will come back to you . Regards Kavouss
2014-08-09 22:23 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>:
Colleagues:
I may be confused here, but it seemed that we had come to a compromise of trying to take diversity into account in the 1+2 formulation. GAC wanted a breadth of representation for participaton, decision-making and review, we are just looking at meeting organisation in Chairs/vice chairs for which too many people may well be counter productive...
Best-
Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: glaser@cgi.br To: jjs@dyalog.net, internal-cg@icann.org Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:40:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure.
+1
If we accept 5 members from GAC to have better regional representation, I support the same arguments for the 1 chair + 4 vice-chairs proposal from ALAC .
best
Hartmut
======================================== On 07/08/14 05:01, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
as announced yesterday, I am now forwarding a proposal that the ALAC has developed for the Chair structure of our group.
As you remember, in London the ALAC representatives were among the first to support the enlargement of the GAC contingent from 2 to 5, while ensuring that the ALAC, as a token of its commitment to keep the size of our group close to what it was, would not seek a similar privilege for itself.
The ALAC's call for implementing the decision taken in London (3 Co-Chairs) was based on stated principles: diversity, adequate representation, fairness. While maintaining these principles, the ALAC is keen to help our process along by proposing a new structure, incorporating these principles as well as some elements discussed online since the London meeting.
Here is the ALAC proposal:
- Chair + 4 Vice-Chairs, these 5 being from the 5 different regions (as per ICANN practice).
- No region or citizenship may occupy more than one of these positions. There shall be no automatic entitlement of any region to the position of Chair.
- Process: - Interim Chair is requested to launch a call for candidates for the 5 positions on the leadership team. It is suggested that these should reach Interim Chair by Monday 11 August at 23:59 UTC. - Interim Chair would then publish the list of candidates, each with her/his relevant data (full name, business or other affiliation, organization represented, region, citizenship), and set a date for the vote. - The result of the vote to be published immediately, and the new leadership to convene as soon as possible.
In order to ensure adequate representation of the global Internet user community, Jean-Jacques Subrenat (European region, citizen of France) has decided to withdraw his candidacy for the position of Co-Chair, and is nominating Mohamed El-Bashir (African region, citizen of Sudan) for Vice-Chair. Mohamed has accepted to be nominated, and his candidacy is endorsed by the ALAC.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques. _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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ICG Colleagues: Forgive me for being blunt, but why are we still discussing this? It has been nearly a month, and the roles of chair/vice-chair will seemingly perform administrative/communicative functions under our proposed model. I propose we call the question, and move on. Thanks- J. From: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2014 at 3:56 To: Joe Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com<mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>> Cc: Coordination Group <internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure. Dear All, We have NOT reached consensus anbout 1+ 2 yet. Yes, the majority is infavour of that but not yet any consensus merged There are other points that we need to discuss. I proposed a package deal the détails of which will be submitted soon It seems to me that the chair is from IETF, one vice chair from DNS, the other from Numberting these are the three major issues However, there are other issues that were not mentioned in the charter . I will come back to you . Regards Kavouss 2014-08-09 22:33 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>>: Dear All, We have reached consensus anbout 1+ 2 yet. Yes the majority is infavour of that but not yet any consensus merged There are other points that we need to discuss. I prosed a package deal the détails of which will be sub,mitted soon It seems to me that the chair isd from IETF, one vice chair from DNS, the other from Numberting these are the three major issues However, there are other issues that were not mentioned in the charter . I will come back to you . Regards Kavouss 2014-08-09 22:23 GMT+02:00 Joe Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com<mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com>>: Colleagues: I may be confused here, but it seemed that we had come to a compromise of trying to take diversity into account in the 1+2 formulation. GAC wanted a breadth of representation for participaton, decision-making and review, we are just looking at meeting organisation in Chairs/vice chairs for which too many people may well be counter productive... Best- Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: glaser@cgi.br<mailto:glaser@cgi.br> To: jjs@dyalog.net<mailto:jjs@dyalog.net>, internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2014 10:40:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chair structure. +1 If we accept 5 members from GAC to have better regional representation, I support the same arguments for the 1 chair + 4 vice-chairs proposal from ALAC . best Hartmut ======================================== On 07/08/14 05:01, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
as announced yesterday, I am now forwarding a proposal that the ALAC has developed for the Chair structure of our group.
As you remember, in London the ALAC representatives were among the first to support the enlargement of the GAC contingent from 2 to 5, while ensuring that the ALAC, as a token of its commitment to keep the size of our group close to what it was, would not seek a similar privilege for itself.
The ALAC's call for implementing the decision taken in London (3 Co-Chairs) was based on stated principles: diversity, adequate representation, fairness. While maintaining these principles, the ALAC is keen to help our process along by proposing a new structure, incorporating these principles as well as some elements discussed online since the London meeting.
Here is the ALAC proposal:
- Chair + 4 Vice-Chairs, these 5 being from the 5 different regions (as per ICANN practice).
- No region or citizenship may occupy more than one of these positions. There shall be no automatic entitlement of any region to the position of Chair.
- Process: - Interim Chair is requested to launch a call for candidates for the 5 positions on the leadership team. It is suggested that these should reach Interim Chair by Monday 11 August at 23:59 UTC. - Interim Chair would then publish the list of candidates, each with her/his relevant data (full name, business or other affiliation, organization represented, region, citizenship), and set a date for the vote. - The result of the vote to be published immediately, and the new leadership to convene as soon as possible.
In order to ensure adequate representation of the global Internet user community, Jean-Jacques Subrenat (European region, citizen of France) has decided to withdraw his candidacy for the position of Co-Chair, and is nominating Mohamed El-Bashir (African region, citizen of Sudan) for Vice-Chair. Mohamed has accepted to be nominated, and his candidacy is endorsed by the ALAC.
Best regards, Jean-Jacques. _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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On 10.08.14 19:57 , James M. Bladel wrote:
ICG Colleagues:
Forgive me for being blunt, but why are we still discussing this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
Dear ALL, In a transparent, inclussive and democratic process ,we need to to at leastconsider and take into account various views
From the BEGINING, the process was self nomionation and accalamation by few Inside the current ICANN colleagues. We should not only listen and talk to ourselves rather should listen and talk with others . I do not understand what was wrong in my last proposal " PACKAGE dEAL " We are criticising some people without any fair logic Tks on this nice sunday Regards Kavouss
2014-08-10 20:26 GMT+02:00 Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net>:
On 10.08.14 19:57 , James M. Bladel wrote:
ICG Colleagues:
Forgive me for being blunt, but why are we still discussing this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
Dear All, We should avoid "CLUB" arrangement. there was no call for voluteers for Chair There was real consensus in, its concept is understood by International customary law , without being adjuctived like hard or soft or rough, in the number of Vice chairs, Few peopèle supporting each other in a club concept without listening to any other views The process should examine the proposals from their merits and not from the number of opponents and proponents .In other words, the issue should have been treated qualitatively and not quantitatively ( no. of few old friends ,knowing each otherts from years, and not willing to listen or even examine other proposal. This is not a healthy and transparent process. Best wishes to have a nice sunday for those still haing day time Kavouss There was no call 2014-08-10 20:45 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>:
Dear ALL, In a transparent, inclussive and democratic process ,we need to to at leastconsider and take into account various views From the BEGINING, the process was self nomionation and accalamation by few Inside the current ICANN colleagues. We should not only listen and talk to ourselves rather should listen and talk with others . I do not understand what was wrong in my last proposal " PACKAGE dEAL " We are criticising some people without any fair logic Tks on this nice sunday Regards Kavouss
2014-08-10 20:26 GMT+02:00 Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net>:
On 10.08.14 19:57 , James M. Bladel wrote:
ICG Colleagues:
Forgive me for being blunt, but why are we still discussing this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
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