From the Commercial Stakeholder Group within the GNSO I have also solicited comments on the present draft charter.

These comments shall be provided, and we don’t intend to comment on the new draft proposal provided by ALAC, neither on content nor on form. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: Milton L Mueller Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:30 PM To: 'Mohamed El Bashir' Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Charter commenting - ALAC Comments ( Updated Charter Draft ) Mohamed This is not an updated charter it is a completely re-written charter. As such, it moves us backwards, not forwards. I also note that it lacks the critical language about the ICG’s relationship to the other enhanced accountability process and thus is non-negotiably unacceptable to my stakeholder group and, I suspect, to all the other DNS-based representatives. I would encourage ALAC to start with the draft that we worked on and provide commentary on those parts that it feels are inadequate, unclear or missing. --MM From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed El Bashir Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 6:36 AM Cc: ICG Subject: [Internal-cg] Charter commenting - ALAC Comments ( Updated Charter Draft ) Dear Colleagues, While ICG is finalizing the setup and publication of charter comments process, which i hope it can be published as as soon possible. I would like to provide you with ALAC comments on the draft ICG charter, ALAC has discussed been discussing the charter and we are proposing the attached updated charter document. The current draft charter is a too long document ( 6 pages ), not easy to ready and could be subject to different interpretations. The attached ALAC draft is one page only summarizing the charter objectives, attempting to make it easy to read and digest. It has contain ALAC comments in the latest charter draft. Thanks Kind Regards, Mohamed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg

Milton, Wolf-Ulrich, Jari Thanks you for your comments on the document presented from ALAC, you have raised valid points, for the sake of moving forward i would like to inform that ALAC withdraws submitted draft charter document. The ALAC community submit its comments on issues or updates to the current draft charter text before the end of comments period. Kind Regards, Mohamed

On 9 Aug 2014, at 01:20, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote:

Mohamed,

(My personal opinion only.)

Thank you for the feedback and ALAC’s close attention on this topic. It is very important.

However, I agree with what Milton had said about this. I’ll also observe that the text that we had developed in July included many aspects that were important to the different stakeholders. Accountability for Milton, me and others. Independence of the communities and explicitly saying the ICG will not develop proposals was important for many of us in the IETF and RIR communities. And so on. It is difficult to produce a large rewrite of the charter without losing some of these aspects. And I think the new text loses some of these now.

May I propose that a constructive way forward would be for all of us to highlight “major objections” as the announcement page says. In other words, could you give us an issue to look at, rather than the solution (ready-made text) that you think solves that issue?

Jari