Chairing - way forward
Hi all, Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are: 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward. Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is: Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.) Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account. Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready. Thanks, Alissa [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
I support this way forward. I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country. Russ On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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I support the approach as well. We need to move past this issue. Best, Jon On Aug 7, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
I support this way forward.
I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country.
Russ
On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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I also support this way forward. Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job. If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity. Regards, Keith From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I support this way forward. I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country. Russ On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are: 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call "consensus" and what I would normally describe as "rough consensus" in support of 1+2. 2. We have very strong support for a "1+something" chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don't think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward. Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: Go forward with a 1+2 structure - 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is: Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.) Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we've had into account. Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready. Thanks, Alissa [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
I am happy with 1+2. I support Alissa as 1. I will wait for more volunteers, before I express firm support for the +2. In case there are no more volunteers, I am sure Alissa, Mohamed and Patrik will do a fine job supporting our deliberations. So as far as I am concerned we have a working option already. Daniel
If Keith withdraws, I would put forward Wolf-Ulrich as a nominee for one of the vice-chair slots. He is from Europe and if we are concerned about representation I think it is important to have the DNS communities closely involved in the process. Also, given that the most difficult issues we are likely to face in the transition will stem from disagreements among the DNS communinties I think it's important to have one of the vice-chairs situated there. --MM From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Drazek, Keith Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:26 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I also support this way forward. Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job. If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity. Regards, Keith From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I support this way forward. I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country. Russ On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are: 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call "consensus" and what I would normally describe as "rough consensus" in support of 1+2. 2. We have very strong support for a "1+something" chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don't think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward. Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: Go forward with a 1+2 structure - 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is: Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.) Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we've had into account. Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready. Thanks, Alissa [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Thanks Milton, I accept the nomination. I’d like to point out that – if elected – I would of course see my role focusing on all aspects related to the IANA stewardship transition. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich From: Milton L Mueller Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:22 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward If Keith withdraws, I would put forward Wolf-Ulrich as a nominee for one of the vice-chair slots. He is from Europe and if we are concerned about representation I think it is important to have the DNS communities closely involved in the process. Also, given that the most difficult issues we are likely to face in the transition will stem from disagreements among the DNS communinties I think it’s important to have one of the vice-chairs situated there. --MM From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Drazek, Keith Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:26 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I also support this way forward. Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job. If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity. Regards, Keith From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I support this way forward. I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country. Russ On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are: 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2. 2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward. Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is: Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.) Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account. Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready. Thanks, Alissa [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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*From:* Milton L Mueller <mailto:mueller@syr.edu> *Sent:* Friday, August 08, 2014 4:22 PM *To:* ICG <mailto:internal-cg@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
If Keith withdraws, I would put forward Wolf-Ulrich as a nominee for one of the vice-chair slots.
He is from Europe and if we are concerned about representation I think it is important to have the DNS communities closely involved in the process. Also, given that the most difficult issues we are likely to face in the transition will stem from disagreements among the DNS communinties I think it's important to have one of the vice-chairs situated there.
--MM
*From:*internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Drazek, Keith *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:26 PM *To:* ICG *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
I also support this way forward.
Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job.
If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity.
Regards,
Keith
*From:*internal-cg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Russ Housley *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM *To:* ICG *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
I support this way forward.
I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country.
Russ
On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call "consensus" and what I would normally describe as "rough consensus" in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a "1+something" chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don't think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure --- 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley
Patrik Fälström
Mohamed El Bashir
Keith Drazek
Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we've had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks,
Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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If Keith Drazek is stepping back, I'd like to suggest Keith Davidson. Keith has front line experience in a TLD and in the ccNSO where he has led work on developing a shared understanding of delegation and redelegation policy within RFC1591. He is also a trustee of ISOC. So he would bring into the chair structure a wider understanding and different perspective to other people I've seen in the frame so far. He is Jordanian by birth, New Zealander by citizenship, so would also add to our national and regional diversity mix. Regards Martin From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Drazek, Keith Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:26 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I also support this way forward. Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job. If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity. Regards, Keith From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM To: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I support this way forward. I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country. Russ On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: Hi all, Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are: 1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call "consensus" and what I would normally describe as "rough consensus" in support of 1+2. 2. We have very strong support for a "1+something" chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don't think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point. 3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG. 4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward. Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows: Go forward with a 1+2 structure - 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is: Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper (I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.) Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC. On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we've had into account. Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready. Thanks, Alissa [i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html [ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html [iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Could someone kindly provide updates for voluteers for chair and 2 Vice chairs ? I would appreciate receiving the most update version Regards Kavouss 2014-08-12 12:47 GMT+02:00 Martin Boyle <Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk>:
If Keith Drazek is stepping back, I’d like to suggest Keith Davidson. Keith has front line experience in a TLD and in the ccNSO where he has led work on developing a shared understanding of delegation and redelegation policy within RFC1591. He is also a trustee of ISOC. So he would bring into the chair structure a wider understanding and different perspective to other people I’ve seen in the frame so far.
He is Jordanian by birth, New Zealander by citizenship, so would also add to our national and regional diversity mix.
Regards
Martin
*From:* internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org <internal-cg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Drazek, Keith *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:26 PM *To:* ICG *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
I also support this way forward.
Similar to Russ, I support Alissa as Chair. I also have previously stated support for Patrik Falstrom and would be happy to support Mohammed, who I believe would do a good job.
If the ICG agrees to follow the 1+2 construct, I would be prepared to withdraw my name from consideration (as a US citizen living in the USA) to address the concerns expressed regarding the optics/perception around geographic diversity.
Regards,
Keith
*From:* internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [ mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org <internal-cg-bounces@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Russ Housley *Sent:* Thursday, August 07, 2014 2:07 PM *To:* ICG *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward
I support this way forward.
I am still willing to serve as a vice-chair, but I also understand the desire for geographic diversity. Since I strongly support Alissa as the chair, I withdraw my name from consideration for a vice-chair since Alissa and I come from the same country.
Russ
On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley
Patrik Fälström
Mohamed El Bashir
Keith Drazek
Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks,
Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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I support this proposal. Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:57 am, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Support as well. Sent from my iPad
On Aug 7, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Paul Wilson <pwilson@apnic.net> wrote:
I support this proposal.
Paul.
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On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:57 am, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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I support this proposal as well. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Paul Wilson Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 1:41 AM To: Alissa Cooper Cc: ICG Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Chairing - way forward I support this proposal. Paul. ________________________________________________________________________ Paul Wilson, Director-General, APNIC <dg@apnic.net> http://www.apnic.net +61 7 3858 3100 See you at APNIC 38! http://conference.apnic.net/38 On 8 Aug 2014, at 3:57 am, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Thank you Alissa, I support this. - a. On Aug 7, 2014, at 21:57 PM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone for engaging on the topic of chair structure. Taking in all of the in-person and email discussion thus far, I think we have a viable path forward. My observations are:
1. In response to the compromise I suggested on July 31 [i], the group demonstrated broad support for a 1+2 structure, with an objection from Jean-Jacques and ALAC. This included support from people who had previously stated preferences for other structures, and even support from people who had previously said they could not live with 1+2. This is what some people might call “consensus” and what I would normally describe as “rough consensus” in support of 1+2.
2. We have very strong support for a “1+something” chair structure, following the recent mail from Jean-Jacques [ii]. I don’t think we have anyone objecting to 1+something at this point.
3. We have had lengthy discussions on the list about geographic diversity. We have very strong support in the group for having geographically diverse participation throughout the stewardship transition plan development process. We have differences of opinion within the group about the extent to which that diversity must be required to extend to the chairs of the ICG.
4. We have a demonstrated need to agree within the ICG about the methods, both electronic and in-person, that we will use to arrive at and judge consensus within this group going forward.
Taking the above into consideration, let's proceed as follows:
Go forward with a 1+2 structure — 1 chair and 2 vice-chairs. I believe the current list of people who have volunteered to serve in these roles is:
Russ Housley Patrik Fälström Mohamed El Bashir Keith Drazek Alissa Cooper
(I do not think we need re-confirmations from the above people because they have mostly re-confirmed already on the list at some point over the last several weeks, but if any of the above listed people wants to withdraw, please say so.)
Taking the suggestion from Jean-Jacques, I think we should give people a few more days to volunteer. So if you would like to volunteer, please make that known on the list by August 11, 23:59 UTC.
On August 12, Joe, who previously agreed to detail the chair roles and run the selection process [iii], and Wolf-Ulrich, who has agreed to help Joe while Joe is traveling, will launch the selection process. In making their selections, ICG participants should take the geographic diversity discussions we’ve had into account.
Joe and Wolf-Ulrich will also begin drafting a proposal that describes the methods the group will use for arriving at and judging consensus going forward, and will make that proposal available to the group for discussion when it is ready.
Thanks, Alissa
[i] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000582.html
[ii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-August/000769.html
[iii] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/internal-cg/2014-July/000381.html
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Daniel Karrenberg -
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Jon Nevett -
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Kavouss Arasteh -
Martin Boyle -
Milton L Mueller -
Paul Wilson -
Russ Housley -
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