Co-chair roles document for comment
Please find the proposed draft below and attached as a word document for easier comment. *_Role Of The Co-Chairs (Draft v 1.0)_* *Introduction* At the first meeting of the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) it was agreed that there would be three co-chairs. A call for volunteers was opened among committee members. It was further agreed that the roles of the co-chairs, supported by the secretariat, would be mostly related to the organization and running of the coordination group – keeping the trains running on time was a description often used by analogy.The number of co-chairs was clarified not to have any necessary linkage to the three main “operational communities”; co-chairs were to be chosen on their own merits. The ability of co-chairs to execute the needed functions and work collaboratively was seen as essential to the role.It was also suggested by some that considerations of diversity would be desirable in the choice of the chairs. Finally it was suggested that a more precise resume of the roles would be useful, which is the purpose of this draft. *Comment and Selection Process* Please provide comments to this draft of the co-chair role by COB on Tuesday July 22^nd by posting to the list with the subject line “Role of the Co-chair draft v1.0 for comment”.A final draft version will be posted on the list on Wednesday morning July 23th with a final deadline for comments and additional volunteers by COB on Wednesday July 23th to the list under the subject “Role of the Co-chair draft v 2.0 for comment and volunteers”.The Role of the Co-chair (final) document and list of volunteers will be posted on Thursday.ICG members must make their preferences for co-chairs known one week from that date (COB July 31).If ICG members are in agreement (please suggest alternative procedures to the list, if not), preferences can be manifested by sending a post to the list with your three preferred candidates. The three with the highest number of endorsements will become the co-chairs. We would ask that all co-chair volunteers be sure to have submitted their bios to the secretariat as requested so that they are available for review.Any volunteer wishing to provide further information may do so by e-mail to the list.To date, there have been 5 volunteers: Russ Housley (IAB) Alissa Cooper (IETF) Partrik Faltstrom (SSAC) Keith Drazek (GTLd Registries) Jean-Jacques Subrenat (ALAC) *Co-chair Role Processes and Responsibilities:* Operational Processes ·There will be three co-chairs of equal footing (selected from volunteers) that will serve for the duration of this exercise. ·The ICG will reserve the right to change the number of the co-chairs, their role or who will serve as co-chairs, as appropriate, through its established operating procedure of rough consensus. ·If for any reason a co-chair is no longer able or willing to serve in that capacity, they will inform the secretariat who will communicate this to the ICG and request that it seek volunteers to fill the vacancy or otherwise determine to proceed with the existing number of co-chairs. ·Co-chairs are explicitly able to participate in ICG discussions on their own or their constituency’s behalf and are just requested to take appropriate precaution that there is no confusion related to their role in such participation. ·The operational modalities of the co-chairs, who is undertaking what function, moderating the conversation for example, maintaining the que…, is left to their self-organization.It was the view of the ICG that we did not wish to micro-manage the co-chair operations, but ICG obviously reserves the right to suggest or make changes pursuant to rough consensus. Responsibilities: ·The role of the co-chairs are to assure that meetings and conference calls are properly scheduled, planned, prepared, organized and efficiently conducted including: ofinalizing this version of the timeline and other work in process oplanning for appropriate outreach and consultation otimely developing agendas in appropriate consultation with ICG, oorganizing volunteers (for themes, discussion topics and other needed functions) omoderating discussion and other elements of meeting function ooverseeing minutes and summaries being taken, reviewed and circulated in a timely fashion supported by the secretariat as well as the drafting, circulation and publication of other needed papers and documents, and oassuring that action items are captured, completed or otherwise followed up; including between calls and meetings. ·Co-chairs will be appropriately supported by the Secretariat in the executing these functions. ·Co-chairs are not meant to have independent decision-making in substantive issues of the ICG on behalf of the group, but are rather the coordinators of the process elements related to the calls, meetings and related functions.Decisions must remain inclusive and collaborative. There was discussion, however, that where rough consensus does not emerge organically or cannot be recognized, the co-chairs lead the ICG in a process to finalize rough consensus. ·There is no current spokesperson or press liaison role associated to the co-chairs, but the ICG may revisit that function as needed and subject to whatever conditions (only speak from agreed points, etc) it feels appropriate. ·Co-chairs should also recognize that by virtue of their title they are clothed with apparent authority and should make clear across all situations what their role and representative capacity is (on behalf of themselves, their consistency…) ·Co-chairs need to be mindful of and support the needs of transparency of this process in the planning, organization, conduct and reporting back of calls and meetings as well as the drafting of papers and other supporting documents
All, I have been in transit and have not been following the exchanges. I have finally gotten home in Abuja. I hope everyone is home save for those taking their hols. Thank you Joe for the elaborate work you have done on the role processes and responsibilities of the Co-chairs. In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group. We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process. Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered. I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. My thoughts. Mary Uduma On Sunday, July 20, 2014 6:15 PM, joseph alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote: Please find the proposed draft below and attached as a word document for easier comment. Role Of The Co-Chairs (Draft v 1.0) Introduction At the first meeting of the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) it was agreed that there would be three co-chairs. A call for volunteers was opened among committee members. It was further agreed that the roles of the co-chairs, supported by the secretariat, would be mostly related to the organization and running of the coordination group – keeping the trains running on time was a description often used by analogy. The number of co-chairs was clarified not to have any necessary linkage to the three main “operational communities”; co-chairs were to be chosen on their own merits. The ability of co-chairs to execute the needed functions and work collaboratively was seen as essential to the role. It was also suggested by some that considerations of diversity would be desirable in the choice of the chairs. Finally it was suggested that a more precise resume of the roles would be useful, which is the purpose of this draft. Comment and Selection Process Please provide comments to this draft of the co-chair role by COB on Tuesday July 22nd by posting to the list with the subject line “Role of the Co-chair draft v1.0 for comment”. A final draft version will be posted on the list on Wednesday morning July 23th with a final deadline for comments and additional volunteers by COB on Wednesday July 23th to the list under the subject “Role of the Co-chair draft v 2.0 for comment and volunteers”. The Role of the Co-chair (final) document and list of volunteers will be posted on Thursday. ICG members must make their preferences for co-chairs known one week from that date (COB July 31). If ICG members are in agreement (please suggest alternative procedures to the list, if not), preferences can be manifested by sending a post to the list with your three preferred candidates. The three with the highest number of endorsements will become the co-chairs. We would ask that all co-chair volunteers be sure to have submitted their bios to the secretariat as requested so that they are available for review. Any volunteer wishing to provide further information may do so by e-mail to the list. To date, there have been 5 volunteers: Russ Housley (IAB) Alissa Cooper (IETF) Partrik Faltstrom (SSAC) Keith Drazek (GTLd Registries) Jean-Jacques Subrenat (ALAC) Co-chair Role Processes and Responsibilities: Operational Processes · There will be three co-chairs of equal footing (selected from volunteers) that will serve for the duration of this exercise. · The ICG will reserve the right to change the number of the co-chairs, their role or who will serve as co-chairs, as appropriate, through its established operating procedure of rough consensus. · If for any reason a co-chair is no longer able or willing to serve in that capacity, they will inform the secretariat who will communicate this to the ICG and request that it seek volunteers to fill the vacancy or otherwise determine to proceed with the existing number of co-chairs. · Co-chairs are explicitly able to participate in ICG discussions on their own or their constituency’s behalf and are just requested to take appropriate precaution that there is no confusion related to their role in such participation. · The operational modalities of the co-chairs, who is undertaking what function, moderating the conversation for example, maintaining the que…, is left to their self-organization. It was the view of the ICG that we did not wish to micro-manage the co-chair operations, but ICG obviously reserves the right to suggest or make changes pursuant to rough consensus. Responsibilities: · The role of the co-chairs are to assure that meetings and conference calls are properly scheduled, planned, prepared, organized and efficiently conducted including: o finalizing this version of the timeline and other work in process o planning for appropriate outreach and consultation o timely developing agendas in appropriate consultation with ICG, o organizing volunteers (for themes, discussion topics and other needed functions) o moderating discussion and other elements of meeting function o overseeing minutes and summaries being taken, reviewed and circulated in a timely fashion supported by the secretariat as well as the drafting, circulation and publication of other needed papers and documents, and o assuring that action items are captured, completed or otherwise followed up; including between calls and meetings. · Co-chairs will be appropriately supported by the Secretariat in the executing these functions. · Co-chairs are not meant to have independent decision-making in substantive issues of the ICG on behalf of the group, but are rather the coordinators of the process elements related to the calls, meetings and related functions. Decisions must remain inclusive and collaborative. There was discussion, however, that where rough consensus does not emerge organically or cannot be recognized, the co-chairs lead the ICG in a process to finalize rough consensus. · There is no current spokesperson or press liaison role associated to the co-chairs, but the ICG may revisit that function as needed and subject to whatever conditions (only speak from agreed points, etc) it feels appropriate. · Co-chairs should also recognize that by virtue of their title they are clothed with apparent authority and should make clear across all situations what their role and representative capacity is (on behalf of themselves, their consistency…) · Co-chairs need to be mindful of and support the needs of transparency of this process in the planning, organization, conduct and reporting back of calls and meetings as well as the drafting of papers and other supporting documents _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now. I, for one, completely agree with her. I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further? Daniel
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving. --MM -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now. I, for one, completely agree with her. I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further? Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge. For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available. Thanks, Keith -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving. --MM -----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now. I, for one, completely agree with her. I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further? Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Also support Alissa if she is available & willing to take this one. I would strongly encourage two (no more) co-chairs or (as we¹ve seen in some PDPs) ³co-vice-chairs². As others have noted, this will better distribute the expected workload. Thanks‹ J. On 7/21/14, 11:33 , "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
I fully support Alissa to be The Chair if she is willing to take the role. The *only* reasons I can see to have a group of "other chairs" (regardless of title) is that we then _before_ we might need it have individuals that we all have vouched to be able to take the role if Alissa either need to delegate something special (I have no idea what it might be) or that she with short notice can not do whatever duties there might be (I have no idea what that would be either). Because of this, I think we should have ONE and only ONE chair. Then *maybe* a group of vice-chairs or whatever we could call them. Part from these kind of extreme situations with pre-vouched individuals, I hope that the day-to-day-work-items can continue exactly as it has now, that each individual that feel they can contribute will do so. We have a lot of work to do and we need _everyone_ to throw in probably more than the time they have available. Patrik On 21 jul 2014, at 18:39, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
Also support Alissa if she is available & willing to take this one.
I would strongly encourage two (no more) co-chairs or (as we¹ve seen in some PDPs) ³co-vice-chairs². As others have noted, this will better distribute the expected workload.
Thanks‹
J.
On 7/21/14, 11:33 , "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
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On 21.07.14 18:33 , Drazek, Keith wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
Very sensible. Thanks for saving me to have to type this up and even including an example of a related group doing it. Paf added further elaboration that makes sense to me too. I support this. Daniel
Works with me as well. Best, Jon On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
On 21.07.14 18:33 , Drazek, Keith wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
Very sensible. Thanks for saving me to have to type this up and even including an example of a related group doing it.
Paf added further elaboration that makes sense to me too.
I support this.
Daniel
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Dear colleagues, I support this, and think a Chair and an Alternate Chair is a great idea. I would like to thank Mary for her excellent suggestion and pragmatic approach, and for having the patience to bring this back to the group. We have alot of work to do and Alissa has already shown her considerable leadership skills. Best, Lynn On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> wrote:
On 21.07.14 18:33 , Drazek, Keith wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
Very sensible. Thanks for saving me to have to type this up and even including an example of a related group doing it.
Paf added further elaboration that makes sense to me too.
I support this.
Daniel
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I'm very much in favor of Alissa as Chair of the group. Considering the discussion last week as well as Joe's fine write-up, it seems that there is (or at least could be) a sizable amount of work. It seems unfair to ask any one individual to do it all. Additionally, it also looks like (from the amount of work) that it would be difficult for one person to be Chair _and_ to fully participate as a member of the ICG. I would not want to functionally loose Alissa's participation as a _member_ of the ICG because she was the only Chair that was committed to doing all of that work. I still prefer two (or three) people sharing the Chair/Co-Chair/Alternate Chair duties particularly so that each of them (whoever we select) can fully participate as ICG members. Russ On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:33 PM, "Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek@verisign.com> wrote:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
Daniel _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg _______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list Internal-cg@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg
Yes, I also support Alissa as the Chair. Kuo Wu Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> 於 2014/7/22 0:33 寫道:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
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Hi all, Thanks to Mary for the good suggestion and to others for the demonstrations of support. I think the chair plus alternate chair approach sounds good. I am willing to be the chair if the group so chooses. Best, Alissa On 7/21/14, 11:22 PM, "Wu Kuo-Wei" <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I also support Alissa as the Chair.
Kuo Wu
Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> 於 2014/7/22 0:33 寫道:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
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Alissa, Thanks for your leadership as a great chair for the first meeting. I have confidence you can handle the rest. :-) Kuo Wu 從我的 iPhone 傳送
Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> 於 2014/7/22 23:59 寫道:
Hi all,
Thanks to Mary for the good suggestion and to others for the demonstrations of support. I think the chair plus alternate chair approach sounds good. I am willing to be the chair if the group so chooses.
Best, Alissa
On 7/21/14, 11:22 PM, "Wu Kuo-Wei" <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I also support Alissa as the Chair.
Kuo Wu
Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> 於 2014/7/22 0:33 寫道:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote: ... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
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I support. Thanks for your hard work thus far and your willingness to continue. Best, Jon
On Jul 22, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks to Mary for the good suggestion and to others for the demonstrations of support. I think the chair plus alternate chair approach sounds good. I am willing to be the chair if the group so chooses.
Best, Alissa
On 7/21/14, 11:22 PM, "Wu Kuo-Wei" <kuoweiwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, I also support Alissa as the Chair.
Kuo Wu
Drazek, Keith <kdrazek@verisign.com> 於 2014/7/22 0:33 寫道:
One possibility would be to use an arrangement that the Registries Stakeholder Group relies upon....a Chair and "Alternate Chair" who steps in to run meetings when the Chair is unavailable and who helps support the Chair with managing group business. That leaves one person clearly in the leadership/management role and also provides a backup resource without splitting the duties and creating a political challenge.
For the record, I also support Alissa as Chair if she's available.
Thanks, Keith
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:24 PM To: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
I hear both Mary and Daniel, but still support the idea of two or three co-chairs. While I'd be very happy with Alissa as our chair, for reasons of distributing work load and of political balance, I'd like to add another one or two. Either way, this is not a killer issue for me. I just want to get it resolved soon so we can get moving.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Karrenberg Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:08 AM To: Mary Uduma; internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Co-chair roles document for comment
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote: ... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
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Daniel +1 Mary +1 Kuo Wu Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net> 於 2014/7/21 18:07 寫道:
On 21.07.14 0:45 , Mary Uduma wrote:
... In my opinion, I would ask the ICG to rethink on the issue of co-chairs. I think we need only a Chairperson to fast-rack our work. It is always very challenging to row the boat smoothly when there are several captains. Moreover, ICG is not a permanent Group.
We should cut down on bureaucracies of selecting three co-chairs with all the attendant "balancing" that must be considered in the process.
Looking back at 17-18 July meeting, you will agree with me that it was smooth, focused and well steered.
I will urge us to select a capable chair who can always call for volunteer leads on theme(s) and other adhoc task(s}. ...
I think Mary has spoken very wise words here. It is a pity that we have been too far down a rat-hole to hear her when she said this during the meeting. Maybe we can take the chance to heed her advice now.
I, for one, completely agree with her.
I also believe Alissa did an outstanding job preparing and running the meeting. We should we look further?
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participants (13)
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Alissa Cooper -
Daniel Karrenberg -
Drazek, Keith -
James M. Bladel -
Jon Nevett -
joseph alhadeff -
Lynn St.Amour -
Mary Uduma -
Milton L Mueller -
Patrik Fältström -
Russ Mundy -
Wu Kuo -
Wu Kuo-Wei