Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking. Hopefully close to our meeting. Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel? Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well? Narelle Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote: Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting. Mary Uduma On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote: Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible? Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com<mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com>] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org<mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org>] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org> [internal-cg@icann.org<mailto:internal-cg@icann.org>] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss 2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org<mailto:Lynn@lstamour.org>>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
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*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au<mailto:tom@acig.com.au>> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org<mailto:Lynn@Internet-Matters.org>" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org<mailto:Lynn@Internet-Matters.org>> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>" <alissa@cooperw.in<mailto:alissa@cooperw.in>>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca<mailto:heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca> Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca<mailto:Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org<mailto:olof.nordling@icann.org>>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org<mailto:julia.charvolen@icann.org>>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au<mailto:michelle@acig.com.au>>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
Regards
Tom Dale ACIG GAC Secretariat
ACIG - Australian Continuous Improvement Group evaluate :: improve :: innovate
Cell: + 61 418 207 376 tom@acig.com.au<mailto:tom@acig.com.au> <michelle@acig.com.au<mailto:michelle@acig.com.au>> www.acig.com.au
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Hi Narelle, Good question. I neglected to mention in my earlier email that we also asked the same thing of the ALAC chair - Olivier Crepin-Leblond and he also was favorable. Perhaps we could prepare a fuller list - GNSO or ccNSO ?? Lynn On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> wrote:
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking.
Hopefully close to our meeting.
Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel?
Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well?
Narelle
Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting.
Mary Uduma
On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible?
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From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss
2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
Regards
Tom Dale ACIG GAC Secretariat
ACIG - Australian Continuous Improvement Group evaluate :: improve :: innovate
Cell: + 61 418 207 376 tom@acig.com.au <michelle@acig.com.au> www.acig.com.au
ACIG is an independent consulting firm engaged to provide secretariat support to ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee.
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Of these meetings, I think you MUST do GNSO and ccNSO and the others are of secondary importance. Although ALAC wil participate and GAC may participate in proposal development processes, the core of the Cross Community working group is in GNSO and ccNSO. So if you want to guide and encourage and push them into action, that is the place to be. --MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lynn St.Amour Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 8:15 AM To: Narelle Clark Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Hi Narelle,
Good question. I neglected to mention in my earlier email that we also asked the same thing of the ALAC chair - Olivier Crepin-Leblond and he also was favorable.
Perhaps we could prepare a fuller list - GNSO or ccNSO ??
Lynn
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> wrote:
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking.
Hopefully close to our meeting.
Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel?
Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well?
Narelle
Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting.
Mary Uduma
On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible?
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss
2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
Regards
Tom Dale ACIG GAC Secretariat
ACIG - Australian Continuous Improvement Group evaluate :: improve :: innovate
Cell: + 61 418 207 376 tom@acig.com.au <michelle@acig.com.au> www.acig.com.au
ACIG is an independent consulting firm engaged to provide secretariat support to ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee.
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Good idea and I support any meeting of this kind with other stakeholder groups if requested. - a. ---------- Sent from an iPad
On Sep 5, 2014, at 16:49, Milton L Mueller <mueller@syr.edu> wrote:
Of these meetings, I think you MUST do GNSO and ccNSO and the others are of secondary importance. Although ALAC wil participate and GAC may participate in proposal development processes, the core of the Cross Community working group is in GNSO and ccNSO. So if you want to guide and encourage and push them into action, that is the place to be.
--MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lynn St.Amour Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 8:15 AM To: Narelle Clark Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Hi Narelle,
Good question. I neglected to mention in my earlier email that we also asked the same thing of the ALAC chair - Olivier Crepin-Leblond and he also was favorable.
Perhaps we could prepare a fuller list - GNSO or ccNSO ??
Lynn
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> wrote:
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking.
Hopefully close to our meeting.
Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel?
Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well?
Narelle
Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting.
Mary Uduma
On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible?
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss
2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
Regards
Tom Dale ACIG GAC Secretariat
ACIG - Australian Continuous Improvement Group evaluate :: improve :: innovate
Cell: + 61 418 207 376 tom@acig.com.au <michelle@acig.com.au> www.acig.com.au
ACIG is an independent consulting firm engaged to provide secretariat support to ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee.
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Hello all, I believe a meeting with the GAC would be very beneficial and that information from members of the ICG about how and when governments can participate in each of the community processes related to developing a proposal would be especially welcome. Thanks, Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 03:49 PM To: Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>; Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles Of these meetings, I think you MUST do GNSO and ccNSO and the others are of secondary importance. Although ALAC wil participate and GAC may participate in proposal development processes, the core of the Cross Community working group is in GNSO and ccNSO. So if you want to guide and encourage and push them into action, that is the place to be. --MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lynn St.Amour Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 8:15 AM To: Narelle Clark Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Hi Narelle,
Good question. I neglected to mention in my earlier email that we also asked the same thing of the ALAC chair - Olivier Crepin-Leblond and he also was favorable.
Perhaps we could prepare a fuller list - GNSO or ccNSO ??
Lynn
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> wrote:
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking.
Hopefully close to our meeting.
Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel?
Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well?
Narelle
Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting.
Mary Uduma
On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible?
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
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From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss
2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
Regards
Tom Dale ACIG GAC Secretariat
ACIG - Australian Continuous Improvement Group evaluate :: improve :: innovate
Cell: + 61 418 207 376 tom@acig.com.au <michelle@acig.com.au> www.acig.com.au
ACIG is an independent consulting firm engaged to provide secretariat support to ICANN's Governmental Advisory Committee.
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I've just arrived Istanbul and started to scan emails. So my earlier comment to this thread was done not knowing the following comments. I am in support of meeting with affected communities as many as possible in order to get and keep the process running. I'm just wondering how to manage this. At an ICANN meeting usually the availability of resources (people, time, rooms) is stressed to the maximum in particular if you expect to schedule additional meetings with complete groups (e.g. GAC or GNSO + ICG). Maybe we should give Teresa tomorrow the opportunity explaining what's possible in LA. Best regards Wolf-Ulrich -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:20 PM To: mueller@syr.edu ; Lynn@lstamour.org ; narelle.clark@accan.org.au Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles Hello all, I believe a meeting with the GAC would be very beneficial and that information from members of the ICG about how and when governments can participate in each of the community processes related to developing a proposal would be especially welcome. Thanks, Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 03:49 PM To: Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>; Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> Cc: internal-cg@icann.org <internal-cg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles Of these meetings, I think you MUST do GNSO and ccNSO and the others are of secondary importance. Although ALAC wil participate and GAC may participate in proposal development processes, the core of the Cross Community working group is in GNSO and ccNSO. So if you want to guide and encourage and push them into action, that is the place to be. --MM
-----Original Message----- From: internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Lynn St.Amour Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 8:15 AM To: Narelle Clark Cc: internal-cg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Hi Narelle,
Good question. I neglected to mention in my earlier email that we also asked the same thing of the ALAC chair - Olivier Crepin-Leblond and he also was favorable.
Perhaps we could prepare a fuller list - GNSO or ccNSO ??
Lynn
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Narelle Clark <narelle.clark@accan.org.au> wrote:
I agree. An ICG-GAC meeting would be very helpful. Even if the agenda is only a meet and greet session, with hopefully time to hear key concerns/hopes for our undertaking.
Hopefully close to our meeting.
Could this be firmed up as soon as possible so that we can finalise travel?
Might there be any other important stakeholders that we could consider or even arrange to meet as well?
Narelle
Mary Uduma <mnuduma@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good move Lynn for ICG to have meeting with GAC in LA. Wednesday looks better than Sunday and we may propose 1hr for the meeting.
Mary Uduma
On Friday, September 5, 2014 12:49 PM, Joseph Alhadeff <joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com> wrote:
Should be ok, can we confirm as soon as posdible?
Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: Kavouss Arasteh [kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] Received: Friday, 05 Sep 2014, 12:20PM To: Lynn St.Amour [Lynn@lstamour.org] CC: Internal-cg@icann.org [internal-cg@icann.org] Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Fwd: Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles
Dear All, It is a good idea Kavouss
2014-09-05 11:16 GMT+02:00 Lynn St.Amour <Lynn@lstamour.org>:
Dear colleagues,
in a conversation earlier this week, Alissa and I suggested that the ICG might meet with the GAC at the ICANN LA meeting. The purpose would be general engagement/exchange of progress/discuss concerns, etc. The agenda would be determined at a later point, but if we are to meet with them we need to reserve a slot.
We received the following note from them and would like to gauge the ICG's interest in meeting, and to know whether Wednesday would work as a possible time?
Best, Lynn
Begin forwarded message:
*From: *Tom Dale <tom@acig.com.au> *Subject: **Possible ICG-GAC meeting in Los Angeles* *Date: *September 3, 2014 9:45:51 PM EDT *To: *"Lynn@Internet-Matters.org" <Lynn@Internet-Matters.org> *Cc: *"alissa@cooperw.in" <alissa@cooperw.in>, "heather.dryden@ic.gc.ca Dryden" <Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca>, Olof Nordling <olof.nordling@icann.org>, "Julia Charvolen" <julia.charvolen@icann.org>, Michelle Scott Tucker < michelle@acig.com.au>
Hello Lynn
Heather Dryden has asked me to contact you concerning a possible meeting between GAC and the ICG in Los Angeles.
Do you have an idea of how long you think is needed?
While the GAC agenda is not yet finalised, there will be a session on IANA Stewardship Transition and ICANN Accountability on the Sunday from 1030 to 1230 that would probably be the best fit. However, I understand that not all ICG members may be in Los Angeles so early in the ICANN meeting. Late Wednesday morning is another possibility. Please let me know if any times (not just the ones I have suggested) are particularly good or problematic for you.
You asked for a list of current GAC members. This can be found on the GAC website at https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/GAC+Representatives
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I’m supportive of such meetings. As with everything else, high-bandwidth face-to-face interactions help people understand each other better. Each case has to be looked separately, however. What is that a discussion with *that* group should accomplish, where are we/they in the process, etc. As an example, my quick reaction is that it would be useful to spend some time with both the GAC and the ALAC on how their members can get involved in the communities’ processes and what those processes are currently doing. At least my feeling is that such explanations would help get more of the members involved in the communities work and provide early feedback. But I’m not a member in those groups, so Heather, J-J, etc. can probably give you a more accurate picture of what might be useful. With gTLD and ccTLD and CWG maybe the answer is different. For comparison, what we did at the IETF in end of July was that Alissa gave an explanation of the overall transition effort, explained what the ICG is and what expectations there are for the IETF. Since then we’ve brought the draft RFP into our community, and the community is now busy working on an actual proposal. The first draft of that proposal is out. I think the IETF’s questions about this topic are more in the proposal itself, and something we can work on ourselves, and at the moment there’d be little need for interaction with ICG. Except perhaps when there are unclear items in the RFP. There has been at least one question mark, but I plan to bring that up on the ICG mailing list separately. Later, when we get a little bit further with our proposal, there’s probably more need for interaction again. Jari
Dear All, First of all, we need to understand the necessity of that meeting If such a necessity is supported then ,should we not discuss why such a exclusive meeting of ICG is only required with GAC and not with other constituency We shoals be fair and demonstrate that we are fair.
From the moment that we are in ICG we should act collectively and without any discrimination with all 13 Communities . due to the fact that we ,the entire ICG representing the entire community and should treat them fairly and equally IGC should meet with ant of the 13 community , if they so wish and not differentiate GAC out of them Regards K.ARASTEH
2014-09-05 17:47 GMT+02:00 Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>:
I’m supportive of such meetings. As with everything else, high-bandwidth face-to-face interactions help people understand each other better.
Each case has to be looked separately, however. What is that a discussion with *that* group should accomplish, where are we/they in the process, etc. As an example, my quick reaction is that it would be useful to spend some time with both the GAC and the ALAC on how their members can get involved in the communities’ processes and what those processes are currently doing. At least my feeling is that such explanations would help get more of the members involved in the communities work and provide early feedback. But I’m not a member in those groups, so Heather, J-J, etc. can probably give you a more accurate picture of what might be useful.
With gTLD and ccTLD and CWG maybe the answer is different.
For comparison, what we did at the IETF in end of July was that Alissa gave an explanation of the overall transition effort, explained what the ICG is and what expectations there are for the IETF. Since then we’ve brought the draft RFP into our community, and the community is now busy working on an actual proposal. The first draft of that proposal is out. I think the IETF’s questions about this topic are more in the proposal itself, and something we can work on ourselves, and at the moment there’d be little need for interaction with ICG. Except perhaps when there are unclear items in the RFP. There has been at least one question mark, but I plan to bring that up on the ICG mailing list separately. Later, when we get a little bit further with our proposal, there’s probably more need for interaction again.
Jari
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-----Original Message----- Since then we've brought the draft RFP into our community, and the community is now busy working on an actual proposal. The first draft of that proposal is out. I think the IETF's questions about this topic are more in the proposal itself, and something we can work on ourselves, and at
I have a bit of a problem with this, sorry to say. While I think it's fine that people in IETF are developing ideas for proposals, the RFP makes it clear that the process in each operational community is supposed to be open and transparent, and include other interested and affected parties. I think it would be a travesty if we release the RFP and the IETF announces 5 days later that they are finished. Even if this is presented as a "Draft," any different ideas coming from the outside would be dealing with what is in effect a sealed process, in which changes would not be welcome or even seriously considered. The IETF needs to convene a publicly announced, open process based on the RFP that we are developing. --MM
-----Original Message----- From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller@syr.edu] Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2014 7:00 PM
-----Original Message----- Since then we've brought the draft RFP into our community, and the community is now busy working on an actual proposal. The first draft of that proposal is out. I think the IETF's questions about this topic are more in the proposal itself, and something we can work on ourselves, and at
I have a bit of a problem with this, sorry to say. While I think it's fine that people in IETF are developing ideas for proposals, the RFP makes it clear that the process in each operational community is supposed to be open and transparent, and include other interested and affected parties. I think it would be a travesty if we release the RFP and the IETF announces 5 days later that they are finished.
[Narelle Clark] Then let us urge the IETF to ensure their processes include the prospect of future alignment/realignment with the views and outputs of other communities.
Even if this is presented as a "Draft," any different ideas coming from the outside would be dealing with what is in effect a sealed process, in which changes would not be welcome or even seriously considered. The IETF needs to convene a publicly announced, open process based on the RFP that we are developing.
[Narelle Clark] There is also the perspective that should the IETF produce a substantial document that deals with all the substantive issues and represents a practical, helpful view of the future, then other communities may have an extremely useful basis from which to work. If the IETF can produce what is effectively a comprehensive template then I suspect the other communities will be overjoyed. Best regards Narelle
I have a bit of a problem with this, sorry to say. While I think it's fine that people in IETF are developing ideas for proposals, the RFP makes it clear that the process in each operational community is supposed to be open and transparent, and include other interested and affected parties. I think it would be a travesty if we release the RFP and the IETF announces 5 days later that they are finished.
Even if this is presented as a "Draft," any different ideas coming from the outside would be dealing with what is in effect a sealed process, in which changes would not be welcome or even seriously considered. The IETF needs to convene a publicly announced, open process based on the RFP that we are developing.
Which is what we are doing. Or are in the first stages of doing this. We’ve had meetings, a proposal for a forum (WG) to develop a proposal in an open manner, and the WG will soon be formally created. We have done some outreach, but are planning to do even more. Indeed, most of the effort is not in writing a draft initial proposal (what we have now), but building the broad consensus that we have the right stuff - that road is still ahead of us, and will take months. Not to take anything away from having started early and already having some pieces and discussion places, that is clearly useful. But we are committed to running an open and broadly inclusive process. Jari
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Heather.Dryden＠ic.gc.ca -
Jari Arkko -
Kavouss Arasteh -
Lynn St.Amour -
Milton L Mueller -
Narelle Clark -
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