ebersman> It is not the IETF's job to tell large ISP that they must do ebersman> 5011. We need to consider that the world will never be all ebersman> 5011 and that alternate automation methods are valid and how ebersman> we'd address that in an emergency. mcr> I don't really understand the long-term reasons for not doing 5011. mcr> Can you explain this further? list-ksk-rollover@dragon.net:
Phased rollout and control of when things change.
Aye. I agree that we shouldn't prescribe how people automate, or even that they do it at all. 5011 is _one_ way to do it, and I happen to like it, but that doesn't mean that it is good for $everybody. If $someone prefers to do it manually, be my guest, but $they should make d---ed sure to actually do it or be prepared to live with the consequences from not doing it. It will be an error-prone recurring pain that _I_ don't like to feel but $someone could have a pain addiction that I'm glad I don't have. :-) So: live and let live. Either automate (somehow!) or don't complain! :-) Cheers, /Liman