[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Cronolog=EDa_de_los_eventos_relat = =?iso-8859-1?q?ivos_a_la_elecci=F3n_del_presidente_de_LACRALO = From: staff@atlarge.icann.org Dear Sergio, We wanted to aclarecer its interpretation of the chronology of the facts happened in relation to the selection of a president for LACRALO. intention of the first teleconferencing between You, Andrés and the personnel of AT-Large was to maintain a conversation deprived on the occurido error since we thought that You and Andrés would wish to find out the situation before this was communicated to all. Neither You nor Andrés or any other person of its region, to part of president of the General Assembly, Carlton Samuels, had been previously informed on the events. It is certain that Carlos Aguirre had itself official notice with the personnel on the subject of the selection of the president, nevertheless, its commentary talked about only the used mathematical formula and not to the story of the votes in himself. The error in thecount was detected by the personnel of AT-Large when listening the auditory recording of the Asemblea General and at no moment was any exerted external pressure stops to influence our actions. On the contrary, our only motivationwas that error, once identified, properly was communicated to the region. With respect to the fact that there was no a service of simultaneous interpretation during this teleconferencing, we would wish to remember that the error to him in count was detected only two days before the monthly teleconferencing of LACRALO and, consequently, the minimum term required to request the service of interpretation it did not give the time us sufficient to beable to offer to him this service. What we tried to communicate to him in this teleconferencing was simply fact that it had happened an error in the count and that the president presiding over the General Assembly east day was going to communicate shortly with region to inform it on the steps to follow. During this teleconferencing, we had the printing that this had been understood a to weigh of the fact that a service of interpretation done by a member of our personnel cannot compare itself with a service by professionals of interpretation. We offer our excuses to him if that made difficult his understanding. We hoped that the present explanation helps him. Sincerely, Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, GisellaGruber-White, Marie-Helene Bouchoms ICANN AT-Large Staff email: staff@atlarge.icann.org On 07/04/2009 17:35, "Presidency Internaut" <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
Sras/es Staff of ICANN: > > After to have received its message with the chronology of the made events > in > last General Assembly of the THIN LAC, I have creido correctto send to them > following > commentaries, that I solicit are sent to the ALAC along withits report. > > > > Destaco that during the last weeks I have chosen to remain in silence, > privileging the institutional health of the LACRALO like collective being, by > on > individualities. > > > > Without damage of it, and in view of the inaccuracies detected in > report that is > prepared, I feel forced to carry out a series of explanations: > > > > In the report data of extreme importance and relevance are omitted that do that > the facts > happened disten much of the chronology contained in the sameone. > > > > In 1ª place has been avoided to include (without reason it pretends), that also > presented/displayed the power > of AUI Peru, that sent their mandate in impeccable form, sending one to him! to his > agent chief executive > (Mr. Sergio Bronstein de Internauta Venezuela), with copy toMr. Carlton > Samuels, > same was given thus, taking care of that the same one does not fall into the hands of a same one > person who > is judge and part in the assembly, to leave doubts of their legitimacy. > > > > Also, the other three powers that arrived at the same personwho was > president of > assembly, was not exhibited to anybody, and simply it communicated by mail > electronic > the existence of these powers (why copy was not sent to him to another one > participant stops > that of faith of such). It seemed to be that, when exhibiting links to mails > envoys > by Carlton Samuels, looks for to guarantee the message in himself, and not the ruined mandate > by those > organizations nor who it was made according to the norms of > LACRALO. > > > > Also was omitted to mention in the report that was proclaimed indeed > winning of > selections, (that are exactly who subscri! bes, Sergio SalineI carry), and who > I was put in > functions! immedia tely once finished the selection. From saying > moment, I acted > formally like president of the LACRALO, as much in the meeting of ICANN of > Mexico, like > time later through regional contacts with different organizations. > > > > On the other hand, desire to at least emphasize also that -in an attitude > questionable in his > transparency - to see e-mails that adjunto[i ] -, summoned me to one > teleconferencing in > as I was the unique one who did not know that the legitimacy of my presidency was > questioned. > teleconferencing was in English language, without simultaneous translation, and my > capacity stops > to understand the problem and to present/display the corresponding defenses was severely > limited. > In fact, I asked for repeated times that were explained to me with clarity of which > spoke > Mr. Nick Ashton Hart and Andrés Piazza, since he could notunderstand them. Act > followed > Matthias Langenegger informed to me that it had to leave myposition (or th! at believed at least > to understand) > since the staff had defined that the president was Andrés Piazza (never had > nobody that > said to me that there was a count of votes and that we had to send supervise > for this, > nor that the ICANN personnel was the one who had to dismissto me and to put in functions a > another one > person who not outside the one who outside proclaimed president in an Assembly > General, in agreement > with the norms of the LACRALO). > > > > Also I must emphasize that, hours later another one had been prepared > teleconferencing in > which participated some ALSs - although without counting onthe necessary quorum > -, in which > was not allowed me to exert the presidency of the LACRALO in violent form, > discriminatory and > with I mistreat, headed by Mr. Carlton Samuels, that, in spite of no > to have capacity > to preside over the assembly - then that function corresponded to me to me, by > less until > the subject was properly debated by a ! new General Assembly. > > > > These facts show that after t! he first teleconferencing to which I do > reference, I was > displaced of the position for that validly I was chosen by the Assembly, > without > to consult the decision with this device, and only from thedecision of > ICANN staff. > > > > These facts have an extreme institutional gravity, as much by > distance of > norms that we have consensuado, like inasmuch as they represent clear and a direct one > interference > of the staff in questions that must be debated by the ALSs > members of > THIN. > > > > the complaints of Mr. Carlos Aguirre and Mr. Andrés Piazzawere directed to > Staff in > place of a the assembly - since it had corresponded -. Instead of dale to > subject the channel > correct, was chosen to solve the problem of a way in opposition to the rules > of the LAC > THIN > > > > Nótese that I have omitted - with effort - to make any reference for a reason or purpose > personal > on the happened thing. Desire to show, nevertheless, that it had wished to be > treat! ed in one > forms but right and respectful during this traumatic process. > > > > Espero that the present is of utility to remember some questions in his > chronology, > and to cover omissions - surely involuntary - with its report. I solicit to them > that accompanies > this note and its associates with the same one, every time the circumstances here > you decipher > must be considered by the ALAC and the members of the LACRALO. > > > > Sergio Saline I carry > > President > > LACRALO > > > > > -- > > [ i] Considered, > > If one allows its schedules them, we would like to have a brief meeting > telephone stops > to discuss future meetings LACRALO. It will be possible to reunite to us tomorrow or > Wednesday between > the 1600 and 1800 UTC by about 20, 30 minutes? > > Sincerely, > > -- > > Matthias Langenegger > > AT-Large Coordination Officer > for > Internet Corporation Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) > > email: matthias.langenegger@icann.org > > Main Tel: +41 (79) 644 65 35 > > Fax: +41 (22) 594 85 44 > > Skype YOU GO: to matthiaslangenegger > > > > which I answer to him that she could not do it so that found me in trip and > if him > seemed well to leave it for the day Thursday to the same hour, day 18 of March > receipt other > mail with the following text now if written in both languages: > > > > Dear all/Estimados > > > > Would tomorrow Thursday, 1700 UTC be uglyible for all of you? We could uses the > normal > Adigo Bridge with the 1638 Pin code. > > > > Would be possible for you to tomorrow have the meeting Thursday to the 1700 UTC? > We could > to always use the numbers of and the access code 1638. > > > > Thank you, > > Thanks, > > Matthias > > Original Message > From: "AT-Large Staff" <staff@atlarge.icann.org> > To: <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Sent: Wednesday, A! pril 01, 2009 1:42 P.m. > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] Chronology of the events relative to the selection > of the president > of LACRALO > > > Considered, > > the Chair of the ALAC has requested to us to send an email to them that offers one to them > chronology of the events relative to the selection of the LACRALO president > that was celebrated in the General Assembly of LACRALO in the city of Mexico. > > the 22 of January of 2009, the secretary of LACRALO, Carlton Samuels, commanded > email to the discussion list to inform that so that a vote by > power of attorney was taken into account in the General Assembly of LACRALO, was > obligatory to send an authorization written to the secretariat before the 1 of > March to 0500 UTC. > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000210.html) > > Before the General Assembly of LACRALO, Carlton Samuel received three powers > writings of the ALS that wished to put under t! heir vote by power of attorney during > General Assembly. > >! ICT4D J amaica: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000404.html > > DevNet: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000405.html > > ICT Society of Trinidad and Tobago: > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000406.html > > Shortly before which the selection of the LACRALO presidentwas celebrated, > Carlton Samuels, the president of the session of the A.G., announced the three > powers of attorney and made sure that the votes by power ofattorney were > sent with respect to the received instructions. Matthias Langenegger, > the member of the personnel of AT-Large that had been designated like judge > ponente (Rapporteur) of the LACRALO counted all the votes and it incorporated them in > formula to apply in the selections. This formula can be found in > rule 12,9 of the ordinary rules of procedure for the meetings of > the deliber! ative organisms of the LACRALO, which was approved by > the General Assembly of LACRALO the 24 of June of 2007 in Puerto Rico. > > the ordinary rules of procedure also are in the bond > following: > https://st.icann.org/data/workspaces/lacralo/attachments/ralo_organising_doc > uments:20080815141112-0-12341/original/AL%202007%20SD%202%20Rev2%20LACRALO%2 > 0Rules%20of%20Procedure%20ES.pdf > > the provisional result for the selection of the president was announced by > the president of the session during the General Assembly. After his > return of the summit of the individual users of Mexico, thepersonnel of > AT-Large listened to the recordings in mp3 of the General Assembly of the LACRALO > to come to the definitive inquiry of the results of the selection > and realized which, in fact, the announced provisional result in > the General Assembly had omitted the vote by power of attorney emitted by > DevNet. > > Existen two recordings in mp3 that will allow him to find out t! he veracity of > the facts above related. They can or listen t! o the re cording of > General Assembly in its totality or to listen to only the passage relative to > count of the votes of the selection of the president... > > integral Recording in English: > http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-EN.mp3 > integral Recording in Spanish (with the voice of the interpreters) > Part 1: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES1.mp3 > Part 2: http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-03-03-2009-ES2.mp3 > > Part on the selection of the president: > In English: > http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-GA-03-03-2009-Chair-Election.mp3 > Interpretation in Spanish of the passage: > Http://audio.icann.org/atlarge/LACRALO-AG-03-03-2009-Eleccion-Presidente.mp3 > > the president of the session of the General Assembly was informed > immediately when it was discovered the error and a separated message was sent a > the region > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000398.html) > > ! In its capacity of president of the session in which the selection was made, > Carlton Samuels announced the definitive result of the selection the 19 of > March. This definitive result gives to Andres Piazza like President of > LACRALO. At the same time, it announced the calendar for the presentation of > candidacies and the selection of a secretary for LACRALO. > > (see > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann. > org/2009/000398.html) > > Sincerely, > > Nick Ashton-Hart, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-White, > Marie-Helene Bouchoms > ICANN AT-Large Staff > email: staff@atlarge.icann.org > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > cann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > >
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