[[-- Translated text (es -> en) --]] I agree with almost everything expressed by Alejandro. I emphasize something that I have already mentioned previously. LACRALO is working on discussions through an unofficial means and where not all LACRALO members are present. I, in particular, am part of that group and the third time they talked about partisan politics in a country, I deleted myself from it. But even so, after discussions in that group, an attempt is made to make the opinions official by reporting it afterwards on the mailing list. It is not the procedure contemplated by LACRALO regulations. Greetings Alberto Soto From: Sergio Salinas Porto via lac-discuss-es<lac-discuss-es@icann.org> Sent on: Friday, July 26, 2024 07:13 To: Alejandro Pisanty<apisanty@gmail.com> CC: LACRALO Spanish<lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] Re: About the document “How we meet: A discussion document for community dialogue” Thank you Alejandro for all these comments. I ask you to work on the document so that your point of view is reflected. As you may have noticed, it reflects the concerns and positions that were in the chat. It would be good to have part of your vision there as well. Hug Sergio Salinas Porto Internet President Argentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 "I hope we can be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense" Eduardo Galeano On Thu, July 25 2024 11:31 pm, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com <mailto:apisanty@gmail.com>> wrote: Sergio, thanks for this message. The appropriate place to present and discuss it is this email list with public and permanent archiving, and the affordances that this entails such as content search, traceability of participation, etc. I have followed the discussion during the day in the WhatsApp group and would share the following comments: 1. As noted there, the discussion should not have been initiated from a press release but from a formal submission by the responsible persons and elected representatives of the community, organizing the possible debate around the various issues raised. . The first of them would be to understand what motivates the reduction under debate. 2. I thought the text obtained from ChatGPT in response to the question "how to reduce costs" was a joke. I invite you to do the exercise with the same question for global meetings of "the World Bank", "the Bishops of the Catholic Church", "the adult sex video and toy industry", and "people interested in or practicing Satanism, witchcraft and voodoo". It had to be evident that the answers are generic and of course filter them against criteria of reasonableness. For example, the virulent reaction to the proposal for "shared accommodation" allows us to gauge that the sense of community and camaraderie is superseded by the defense of one's privacy. The "response" obtained from ChatGPT does not contemplate the most basic of any administration : seeks to reduce unit costs per participant but not the number of participants. You could also start there, as in any public, private or social professional administration, and even in domestic economics (in caricature: not only buy cheaper clothes but also buy less clothes). 3. It would be desirable for people who have not actively participated, either never or for many years, to exercise extreme caution in their interventions so that they are based on information and the real feelings of the active community, all the more so when the results are not transparently recorded. processes that led to their appointments. 4. ICANN is a technical coordination body, not a "Trade Association" or chamber of industry. Its function is to make decisions on the coordination of the Internet's central one-to-one or one-to-one value identifiers, through policies that eliminate discretion in such decisions through an informed and transparent multi-sector participatory process. Facilitating productive business relationships and advancing professional careers is not its core function. Promote that the environment in which this task is carried out through social integration of the participants is a means, not an objective. 5. Properly designed and operated remote meetings are a mechanism for fairness, as demonstrated by decades of IETF tradition. Without disdaining the benefits of face-to-face meetings, equity in attendance at these is lower and compensating for it through affirmative actions is costly but also uncertain, since the selection mechanisms for proactive support can be co-opted by a stubborn minority and not exempt, in turn, of an indirect corporate capture. 6. It is advisable to leave aside arguments based on "what ICANN does for me (or for us)", such as "it gives me an opportunity to interact with other people for business", "it allows me to inform myself about the state of regulatory affairs" (no one ever talked about the technicians), "it allows me to interact with communities from very diverse countries, expanding my understanding of the world", etc., and putting on the table and ahead "what we do for ICANN" with concrete evidence of initiatives of "policy" produced in the region, documenting its process from formulation, through the policy development process in the different SOs and ACs, and ending with its adoption in the councils and approval of processes by the Board. I hope that our representatives and officials find a rich inventory in the archives. 7. By going to ChatGPT as children, there was no other possibility to reduce ICANN's costs, not only those of travel, and above all, to intensely strengthen its effectiveness, transparency, accountability, and defense against criticism for lack of any of these characteristics: reduce the number of travelers. That should not be an objective in itself, but rather a result of a long-postponed and indispensable task, the recertification of all LACRALO organizations. Greetings Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 4:39 PM Sergio Salinas Porto via lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@icann.org>> wrote: Dear friends of the region, you sent a link with access to a small draft document, which arises from a debate that is taking place within ICANN on the issue of budget. I suggest reading it and indexing it as much as possible so that it is completely the global thought of the region, it was made by synthesizing a rich debate that took place in the WhatsApp group, a copy in English will soon be available so that there is a balance of opinions and views based on our sub-regional cultures. In this email I also make available the document from which the response and regional contribution arises and a link to an opinion article that arises from that same document. News article: https://domainincite.com/30050-smaller-more-intense-icann-meetings-with-no-f... aem_vlQt4V3S_DmlW3TxToARIw <https://domainincite.com/30050-smaller-more-intense-icann-meetings-with-no-f...> &sfnsn=scwspwa Discussion Paper: https://domainincite.com/docs/HowWeMeet-CommunityDiscussionPaper-8July2024.p... Document deleted from LACRALO: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jDxMBGBdGw8Rem1fJkNN2hh5mp38jkeMwKm6BBkL... Greetings! Sergio Salinas Porto Internet President Argentina - LACRALO/ICANN<https://atlarge.icann.org/ralos/lacralo> Argentine Association of Internet Users<http://www.internauta.org.ar/> /FeTIA<http://www.fetia.org.ar/> FUILAC- Federation of Internet Users of LAC<https://fuilac.org> facebook: salinasporto<http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> twitter: sergiosalinas<http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas> Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819 "I wish we could be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense" Eduardo Galeano ________________________________ lac-discuss-es mailing list -- lac-discuss-es@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@icann.org> To unsubscribe send an email to lac-discuss-es-leave@icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-leave@icann.org> http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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