[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Voting and cancellations From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Sorry, these claiming that existing rules should not be applied? Thank you Alberto Soto The August 21 2015 00:48:44 GMT-03: 00, "Carlos Raul Gutierrez" <crg@isoc-cr.org> wrote:
In the common sense? In the bitter experience of the last election parody?
Maybe Fatima is only using COMMON SENSE, so scarce in these Days ......... these days where everyone has their eyes on the Accountability and transparency of an entity called ICANN, Seems to be on a different planet to LACRALO.
Back to the ground and read in high voice the SOI, and vote with our Awareness of accountability and transparency and return to Work.
Good night
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On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> Wrote:
Fatima, please could you specify what rule these Basing your strong statement of point 2? Thanks
Alberto Soto <> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Antonio Medina Gomez Posted on: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:02 AM To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> ; Carlos Vera Q <cveraq@gmail.com> ; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
Thanks Fatima and Carlos to express what must be expressed in the Right time. +1 On 20/08/2015 21:53, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero@gmail.com <mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > He wrote:
Dear,
I come to express my support for the statement made by Carlos Vera. There is an open voting process, and it must end, For the following reasons:
1. First, because there was never a call for consensus. By Therefore, neither the President nor the Secretary may decide that there Consensus, when we never asked the community to manifest us Sentido.Si in that was not called the consensus, we can not conclude from Any way that there was consensus.
2. Being open and running a voting process, no longer You can call consensus.If they wanted to know if there was consensus, It should have asked first before opening the voting.
3. Once a community member makes a point of order, That motion and "own" the whole community, and the Presidency and Secretariat should arbirtar the means to fulfill it. That does not mean Already a voting process to be open, you will see The community member who made the motion to order if you like Now make friendly amendments. And being open voting, Is sent to vote on the motion as it was expressed in the judgment Was sent to vote, you can not modify the motion at that time (the Like Carlos, I have voted both times we requested Vote on this issue).
So then I express my point of order and testify That the Presidency and the Secretariat, with the support of Staff, are given Course this motion:
"It must annul the decision arbitrary and unfounded Cancel the vote on the motion proposed by Alejandro Pisanty and Continue the voting process of the motion inciado 19 23 August at UTC and end date on 26 August at 23 UTC ".
Thank you to please stop making so many desprolijidades In terms of procedures, and in case of not knowing how Proceed, supported by community members or staff is sought Who they are trained in these issues.
Also grateful to waste no time in answering this mail Attacks to defend themselves. I made a point of order. I require that Please the means to implement it will arbitrate.
Best regards, Fatima >>> Cambronero
On August 20, 2015, 21:33, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq@gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> > He wrote:
Thanks for the input and reflecting the receipt and Juan Manuel Process.
Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 >>>> Follow mecveraq
The 08/20/2015, at 20:59, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi@yahoo.com <mailto:jumaropi@yahoo.com> > He wrote:
Alberto, Carlos, everyone.
What is really unfortunate is that the list becomes very Activated when elections are approaching any kind. Is a Pity also that not all participate as often as necessary Or the required either within or in the LACRALO ALAC WG volume.
Unfortunately >>>>> is, and has been a common practice.And when Someone proposes something, it does not miss the one disagrees and intends Object (because yes, because I do or because perhaps, or as I say Colloquially, by sport). Thus, it is very difficult to establish a Voluntary community work precisely that part of the Those who we will settle.
Are we really going to let the participation to become a
Election process in which wins the most support have and not who Deserve to experience or work? It's just a reflection I want to make the list taking advantage of the "participatory" are All.
Sincerely,
JUAN MANUEL ROJAS
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On Thursday, August 20, 2015 20:52:22 Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote:
Carlos, it's a shame that will not serve the explanations. I ask you all to think about the time you spent in this Last year within LACRALO. That one personal reflection and made everyone look for LACRALO. What important topic will shed their opinion, in that working group Turned their effort. They participated webinar. What comment They turned public opinion. In that call for LACRALO They responded. Just wrong, that works. No one who says we do go to war and fight.This may Help us to learn to participate, and then demand. Best regards >>>>>
Alberto Soto >>>>>
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From: Carlos Vera Quintana [mailto: cveraq@gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> ] Posted on: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:01 pm To: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > CC: LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
Alberto is not a criticism only. It is a claim that is not May abort processes continuously.
If voting begins must end.
You not have to see a complaint about the procedures Contributions from ALS or work of its members. We must learn to take Responsibilities in which we undertake or assume positions.
Carlos Vera Quintana >>>>>
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On 20/08/2015, at 19:38, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote:
Dear, all processes are carried out Lately, They were around and according to the regulations that govern us. The Explanation You are asking, you are in the same mail we send. Maybe it not explained that there were several problems of access and Communication with wiki, if you read the mails can check. Jacqueline made a comment on the mailing list because they Could To access the wiki, then placed his proposed amendment In Same. Communication from the wiki who are Registered To be informed comments on it, it did not work out. The No voting process had been issued. Nevertheless, Alejandro It was Consulted and gave its approval to the proposal of Jacqueline, Plus Rule regarding suspension of voting and non-return To resume. I think that technical failures can not be attributed to the People. And as we have been saying, we need and appreciate these Reviews But we need contributions for jobs We To do for our region. If they are critical one, never Advance. Best Regards
Alberto Soto
----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] On behalf of Carlos Vera Quintana Posted on: Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:16 p. M. To: LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations
Dear: with the failed process of voting on the motion of
Alejandro Pisanty add several processes that are advertised and Undergo Vote without further foundation and then in the middle of a Vote are Challenged and replaced by others.
You need to be more careful in the process to avoid these Faults.
I've already voted several times when the vote is announced that Then Is canceled or invalidated.
I hope this friendly wake-up call is taken into account and Deserves proper response of those responsible.
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