March 7, 2014
11:18 a.m.
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: RES: RES: 193 FUNDETIC application BOLIVIA From: sylvia@internautabrasil.org Dear Alexander, My comments were made in representative character of Internauta Brazil and not as secretary of the region (I apologize for the lack of aclaracin) the same way I imagine it must have done Fatima Cambronero in as a member and not as Densi Ageia ALAC member. Regards sylvia ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org Secretary-LACRALO ICANN / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/> http://atlarge.icann.org Secretary FLUI 2009-2015 sylvia_leite = Skype Descrio: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil From: Alejandro Pisanty [mailto: apisanty@gmail.com] Posted in: Friday, March 7, 2014 17:04 To: SYLVIA Herlein Cc: Vanda Scartezini; LACRALO Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] RES: 193 FUNDETIC application BOLIVIA Sylvia, first express my protest against your conduction of this matter since Secretariat of the actuacin your post has not been fair or prudent. Step to the noun: FUNDETIC documents are primarily indicative of interpretation who have already expressed clearly and Ftima Cambronero Alberto Soto, and I've added repeatedly, we see basically a consultancy performs tasks for government contracts. Remunerative or not, projects are benficos for poblacino not is of second order. It matters is to bring the scope of ICANN At Large of the view favored, voice, general Internet users in their community.That is not documented in their statutes. Counterarguments that we hear are those that depart from documentable knowledge of the action of FUNDETIC. Someone has been expressed by Carlos Vera. It is notable that the requirement is inconsistent with attachment the statutes, as it is based on their knowledge of the action of FUNDETIC. Foul document it. Doing so will your own position in the Secretariat, not asla enthusiastic partisanship and moor knives made to FUNDETIC engage in a discussion that is internal and can now end resulting in their favor. Sergio arguments without documentation or statements about facts, point tambina very serious questions about what Gestin may be his if he won the presidency in elections and imminent: rhetoric, bias and superficiality, elements that have already proved to be harmful. Ojalesto only is the interpretation of a time and not a pattern of behavior. Alejandro Pisanty 3/7/2014 11:06 GMT-06: 00 <sylvia@internautabrasil.org> : S, Vanda, ICANN will accept as an ALS! At-Large and consequently LACRALO is the home end users internet as we proudly affirm. And looking documents sent by FUNDETIC, ascomo watching her choose a web, we deduce that they work, defend and encourage users present and future of Bolivia. With regard to values, the only requirement is that ICANN requested by the organization that wants to be part of our community to be self-sustaining and does not intend to receive help from ICANN Econmica. All we have organizations working with users know very well that it is very difficult organize activities and projects of nowhere. Estque clear need money to do things, and if they receive donations or "under price solidarity "is not our concern. If we reach our goal of at least 1 ALS by our pas region, as candidates for the elections that just touches us ESTN achieve promising right now, I advise you not to miss this opportunity and open to receive from this organization of Bolivia arms. In addition if you look closely at the website, you will see that not only engaged users who are interested but Bolivia and report by inclusion activities in neighboring countries. http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/ I can only say, Welcome Bolivia, members FUNDETIC Welcome! ___________________________________________________ Sylvia Herlein sylvia@internautabrasil.org Secretary-LACRALO ICANN / 2012-2014 - http://atlarge.icann.org Secretary FLUI 2009-2015 sylvia_leite = Skype ----- Mensagem Original ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome of Vanda Scartezini Posted in: Friday, March 7, 2014 15:16 To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Assunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA What is relevant is to have profit! All organizations seeking resources offering services, either getting help from governments against their services or providing services a sua reach customers to achieve their social goals. For example, ICANN is a nonprofit organization but charge their services. Although its focus is to maintain stability and security rede, has an important role to users (and as we bear, at ALAC us RALOS and if non are dedicated to users?) ICANN may not be an ALS? I think if that should be. Again my 2 cents. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200 - Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 On 03/07/14 10:46, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Alberto, > > Slo comment. Bringing you pose is meant to look like > Our organizations can not charge any activity. > > Up to universities and non-profit must sometimes acquire sum > Simblicas to help achieve their goals. > > I return to disagree on this point. The fact that charged for something, > Means going against our bylaws or a certification. > > However, I appreciate having generated this healthy debate. > > A hug > > On 03/07/2014 1:41 pm, Alberto Soto wrote: Humberto >> Hi, may agree with you that statutorily >> May meet, but it will seem totally contradicts what Exposed in the >> web page of the institution.All, of the two Dating >> examples, may be considered by the stamp Da >> World of Internet, where it is mentioned to the peasants. This Be laudable if >> previous actions would provide the Information and knowledge >> necessary, not only for that event, But actually >> actions that indicate the beginning and continuity User >> internet. The other example >> "My web" is to "under joint price", ie That >> who can not pay, will have no. My personal conclusion >> The Statute differs greatly, both Actions >> organization's mission and orientation as purely >> Business and particularly to the government, which does not fulfilling To certify >> conditions. If you do what the statute says, >> Will match, but is doing things as the only study that all >> Figure, commercial conclusions that serve to provide their >> Service to businesses and government. >> Best regards >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco >> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:49 a.m. >> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA >> Estimated >> Alberto, >> I just put in >> the wiki the reasons why I disagree with you and Should >> understand that if accepted the certification of this organization. >> >> Notwithstanding this, the aquabajo copy. >> Greetings >> >> Estimated >> Alberto, >> >> First of all appreciate your analysis on this postulacin. >> But let me disagree with you for the following reasons: >> >> 1 -. Throughout my analysis of postulacina judgment must be a So >> analysis and one line.So says the relationship analysis >> With the statutes or regulations governing the organization >> Candidate. The background analysis says relationship with actions >> Have made to benefit the end user or in other words >> "Works" performed or to be performed for the benefit of users End >>. >> >> 2 -. Deberamos With these criteria check if the applicant meets >> Requirements. Proceed to perform this analysis. >> >> * A -. Analysis form * >> >> From this point of view we have the rules cited by Alberto and Also by Ftima >>. However, in my opinion. He has omitted a Ms >> element that relevant. The expression user can not be Expressly >> rules, but if other expressions Travs ms General >> such as ciudadanao population. These can be Find >> down the organic statutes of the applicant entity. >> >> The dictionary of the Royal Academy of Espaola Language (RAE) defines As >> * >> * _ciudadana_ To: >> * >> "Citizen. * >> * >> 1. * F.Cualidad and citizen rights. >> >> * 2. * F.Conjunto citizens of a people or nation. >> >> * 3. * Own f.Comportamiento of a good citizen. " >> >> As you can see in the second acepcin can perfectly Be included >> users. >> >> Considering this, the Statute orgnico FUNDETIC set within >> Their specific objectives as follows: >> >> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are: >> B >>.Implement Society information and knowledge Between >> / * public * /, businesses and public and private institutions, >> To reduce the digital divide in the country. "(Emphasis added) >> Aqupuede >> look like this public expression used in Contraposicina >> companies and public or private institutions, Making her my >> judgment synonymous with the user. >> >> Now, for the expression * _poblacin_ * SAR, it has pointed >> Following: >> >> (From the lat. / Populati (o,-o-nis /). >> * >> 1. * F.Acciny effect to people. >> >> * 2. * F.Conjunto people inhabiting the Earth or any division Geographic >> it. >> >> * 3. * F.Conjunto of buildings and spaces of a city. >> * 4 >>. * F. / / / Ecol. / Group of individuals of the same species that occupy >> The same geographic area. >> * >> 5. * F. / / / Sociol. / Set of individuals or things gone through a Statistican >> evaluation by sampling. >> >> Meanwhile, the status of FUNDETIC points out the following: >> >> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are: >> F >>. Plan and execute processes in ICT capacitacin Travs of >> Workshops, seminars, courses, exhibitions., Promoting >> Creation of new capacities and skills in different segments of The >> * >> / Population / * in the context of social development Economic and >> Production. " >> (Emphasis added) >> Aquse >> refers to the various segments of the population Which should be included >> users. >> >> From this point of view, in my opinion, this organization Statutorily >> if estorientada develop activities for >> Internet users. >> * >> B -. * Background Analysis >> >> As expressed in the presence aquestamos activities >> That have been or can be made for the benefit of >> Users. >> Here >>, here are some examples that have been made and confirmed in the Choose a web >> this institution. >> At the section >> Programs and projects.Allpor example, you can go to >> The section that says "2012" and can be found with the following: >> >> "Audience design contest for the emission of three postal stamps In commemoration of the day >> Internet world " >> >> If the overall goal of the contest is reviewed, you can find This >> Declararcin >>: >> >> "GENERAL PURPOSE: To encourage the active participation of institutions >> Government, academic sectors, business and indigenous organizations Originating >> and farmers across the country, to investigate and Emit >> a graphical proposal that symbolizes the importance and >> Bolivia meaning for the use and application of Comunicacin Informaciny >> Technologies of particular use INTERNET >> as a primary tool of promotion and development of Society >> Informaciny reduction of the digital divide in the >> Pas. " >> There is a >> reference to indigenous and peasant organizations that Course be considered >> users. >> Also >> this organization may be involved in a program >> Called "my first web program": >> >> Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/index.php/programas-y-proyectos/mi >> -Pr >> Ime >> Ra-web >> >> Aquse express >> "The Foundation for the Development of Technologies Of Informaciny Comunicacin >> - * "FUNDETIC-BOLIVIA" *, is pleased * >> To Cast _Programme WEB_ MY FIRST * having the same Purpose >> >> "Encourage and promote the use of Internet access and development >> Content, services and applications oriented: students, >> Academics, professionals, small and medium enterprises who wish >> Have presence on the web to a charity cost. "" >> Reference to college students >> Professional is made, which Also >> have the character of users. >> * >> / _In Synthesis, in my view fully meet the requirements of Background >> shape and alluded to certify this organizacin._ / ** / __ / * >> Greetings >> >> >> >> El 03/07/2014 12:16 am, Alberto Soto wrote: >>> Dear, just uploaded to the wiki my comment, with suggestions Not accept >>> certification. I copy down the same comment: >>> Observations >>> after reading their bylaws, procedures and Choose a content >>> web: Mission differs >>> contained in the Statute: "... policies, >>> Implement strategies and coordinate actions aimed at reducing the Digital divide >>> Travs pulse of the Technologies Informaciny >>> the Comunicacin in all sectors and fields of the >> Society. " The statute generally >>> I estorientado: "... citizens, businesses and >>> Public and private institutions. "Never indicates actions aimed Persons >>> a particular way. >>> Observations on the >>> web page: >>> The mission: "To encourage and coordinate the government's relations with Bolivian society >>> by the management of ICT tools in All sectors and >>> FIELDS. " In >>> "About Us", the reason for its creation: "Created to Contribute >>> the Plurinational State of Bolivia to the planning, Direcciny >>> execution of the actions necessary to implement the Electronic >>> Government in the country through the diffusion and use of Technologies of Informaciny >>> Comunicacin (ICT). " >>> As end user >>> Internet once quoted, "About Us >>> "but all actions aim to serve in the field Government >>> I aclarndolo specifically. This can be seen in >>> "Key Features", "Mission", "Policy How quality", "Objectives Institutional >>> "," General Strategy "," Complaint "(orientation Commercial >>> " >> "Content and Services" >>> (Commercial orientation), "Technology" (commercial orientation). In >>> "success factors, politician Leadership" requires "participation Active and direct >>> government officials. " In >>> "working components" estorientado to government and business. Regarding >>> "Services" is purely commercial. >>> >>> From the time of its creation, there was no action it intended to Internet >>> end user, and the foregoing, all Estorientado >>> your drive, on a commercial basis, to work with Companies and government >>> their country. >>> No >>> have in their statutes, or procedures, or in its Pgina Web >>> nothing that allows a glimpse of a previous or future work with the >>> (Non-commercial) Internet end user therefore, must not Be >>> >> Certified. ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:33 pm >>> >>> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA >>> Dear members of LACRALO >>> >>> >>> As has already informed the staff, we have received an application for >>> Part of an organization of Bolivia to be part of LACRALO. >>> >>> As usual, ALAC, one asks the region "advise" a Advice >>> before incorporacino not vote for an organization To >>> At-Large >>. We send >>> this advice for the day 10/03/2014. >>> We need >>> comments LACRALO members, and for them >>> Have opened a wiki page: >>> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+A LS >>> + Appli >>> Cation +193 + >>> + BOLIVIA FUNDETIC >>> Will receive comments until >>> 03/09/2014 23:59 UTC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> See >>> attached the statute and the rules of FUNDETIC. Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Sylvia >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> >>> Sylvia Herlein >>> >>> >>> <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> ICANN Secretary-LACRALO >>> / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/> Http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> 2009-2015 Secretary FLUI >>> >>> Sylvia_leite = >>> Skype >>> Descrio >>>: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lac-discuss->>>'s mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>> _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Lac-discuss-en mailing list > Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > Http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7d78741fb2.html --]]