March 7, 2014
5:17 p.m.
[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: 193 Application FUNDETIC BOLIVIA From: vanda@uol.com.br What is relevant is to have profit! All organizations seeking resources offering services, either getting help from governments against their services or provide sua services to reach your clients to achieve social objectives. For example, ICANN is a nonprofit organization but charge their services. Although its focus is to maintain stability and security rede, has an important role to users (and as we would support, ALAC us RALOS and if non are dedicated to users?) ICANN may not be an ALS? I think if that should be. Again my 2 cents. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200 - Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 On 03/07/14 10:46, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Alberto, > > Slo comment. Bringing you pose is meant to look like > Our organizations can not charge any activity. > > Up to universities and non-profit must sometimes acquire sum > Simblicas to help achieve their goals. > > I return to disagree on this point. The fact that charged for something, > Means going against our bylaws or a certification. > > However, I appreciate having generated this healthy debate. > > A hug > > On 03/07/2014 1:41 pm, Alberto Soto wrote: Humberto >> Hi, may agree with you that the bylaws may >> Meet, but it will seem totally contradicts with the discussion in The >> Please choose the web >> institution. All of the two examples you cite, May >> Be considered >> stamp by Da World Internet >> Where Mentioned >> to the peasants.This would be commendable if actions Previous >> provide the information and knowledge required, no Only >> >> For that event, but actually actions that indicate the beginning and Continuity >> User >> Internet. The other example >> "My web" is to "under joint price", ie That >> >> Who can not pay, will have no. My personal conclusion >> The Statute differs greatly, both >> Actions >> Mission and the organization as purely commercial orientation and >> Particularly towards the government, which does not satisfy the conditions To certify >>. If you do what the statute says, will coincide, but Est >> Doing things like >> nico allfigura study, with conclusions Commercial >> that serve to provide its services to companies and >> Government. >> Best regards >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Carrasco >> >> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:49 a.m. >> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA >> Estimated >> Alberto, >> I just put in >> the wiki the reasons why I disagree with you and Should >> understand that if accepted the certification of this organization. >> >> Notwithstanding this, the aquabajo copy. >> Greetings >> >> Estimated >> Alberto, >> >> First of all appreciate your analysis on this postulacin. Without >> But let me disagree with you for the following reasons: >> >> 1 -. Throughout my analysis of postulacina judgment must be a So >> analysis and one line.So says the relationship analysis >> With Statutes or regulations >> governing the applicant organization. The Analysis >> Background >> says relationship with the actions that have been made for the benefit The >> End user >> or put another way "works" performed or >> Performed in >> Benefit of end users. >> >> 2 -. Deberamos With these criteria to check whether the applicant meets the >> Requirements. Proceed to perform this analysis. >> >> * A -. Analysis form * >> >> From this point of view we have the rules cited by Alberto and Also >> By Ftima >>. However, in my opinion. Is omitted an element that ms >> Relevant. The expression user can not be in the rules >> Specifically, Travs >> but if other more general expressions, such as Ciudadanao >> population. These can be found in the statutes Orgnicos >> The applicant entity >>. >> >> The dictionary of the Royal Academy of Espaola Language (RAE) defines As >> * >> * _ciudadana_ To: >> * >> "Citizen. * >> * >> 1. * F.Cualidad and citizen rights. >> >> * 2. * F.Conjunto citizens of a people or nation. >> >> * 3. * Own f.Comportamiento of a good citizen. " >> >> As you can see in the second acepcin can be perfectly Including users >>. >> >> Considering this, the Statute orgnico FUNDETIC set within Their >> >> The following specific objectives: >> >> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are: >> B >>.Implement Society information and knowledge between / * the Citizen >> * /, businesses and public and private institutions to >> Reduce >> Digital divide in the country. "(Emphasis added) >> Aqupuede >> look like this public expression used in Contraposicina >> companies and public or private institutions, Making her a >> My judgment >> synonymous with the user. >> >> Now, for the expression * _poblacin_ * SAR, it has pointed >> Following: >> >> (From the lat. / Populati (o,-o-nis /). >> * >> 1. * F.Acciny effect to people. >> >> * 2. * F.Conjunto people inhabiting the Earth or any division Geographic >> it. >> >> * 3. * F.Conjunto of buildings and spaces of a city. >> * 4 >>. * F. / / / Ecol. / Group of individuals of the same species occupying a >> Same geographic area. >> * >> 5. * F. / / / Sociol. / Set of individuals or things gone through a Statistican >> evaluation by sampling. >> >> Meanwhile, the status of FUNDETIC points out the following: >> >> "Article 10 -. (Objectives YOU SPECIFIC) -. The specific objectives of FUNDETIC >> - BOLIVIA are: >> F >>. Plan and execute processes in ICT capacitacin Travs of >> Workshops, seminars, courses, exhibitions., Promoting Creation >> >> New capabilities and skills in different segments of the * >> / Population / * in the context of social development Economic and >> Production. " >> (Emphasis added) >> Aquse >> refers to the various segments of the population where Should >> Included >> users. >> >> From this point of view, in my opinion, this organization Statutorily >> If estorientada >> develop activities for users >> Internet. >> * >> B -. * Background Analysis >> >> As expressed in the presence of aquestamos activities Are >> >> Have been or can be made for the benefit of users. >> Here >>, here are some examples that have been made and confirmed in the Please choose >> Web >> this institution. >> At the section >> Programs and projects.Allpor example, you can go to the >> Section that says "2012" and can be found with the following: >> >> "Audience design contest for the emission of three postal stamps World >> commemoration da Internet " >> >> If the overall goal of the contest is reviewed, you can find this Declararcin >>: >> >> "GENERAL PURPOSE: To encourage the active participation of institutions >> Government, academic, business and industry and indigenous organizations Originating >> farmers across the country, to investigate and issue a Graphical >> given that symbolizes the importance and meaning Has >> Bolivia >> for the use and application of the Technologies of Informaciny Comunicacin >> including the use of Internet as tool Paramount >> Promotion and development of >> Society Informaciny reduction The >> >> Digital Divide in the country. " >> There is a >> reference to indigenous and peasant organizations that Course >> >> Users must be considered. >> Also >> this organization may be involved in a program >> Called "my first web program": >> >> Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/index.php/programas-y-proyectos/mi-pr >> Ime >> Ra-web >> >> Aquse express >> "The Foundation for the Development of Technologies Informaciny Comunicacin >> - * "FUNDETIC-BOLIVIA" *, is pleased to Taking >> _Programme MI >> the * FIRST * WEB_ having the same order of >> "Encourage and promote the use of Internet access and the development of >> Content, services and applications oriented: students, >> Academics, professionals, small and medium enterprises who wish Have >> Presence on the web >> an integral cost. "" >> Reference to college students >> Professional is made, which Also >> Have the character of >> users. >> * >> / _In Synthesis, in my view fully meet the requirements of >> Form and Background >> alluded to certify this organizacin._ / ** / __ / * >> Greetings >> >> >> >> El 03/07/2014 12:16 am, Alberto Soto wrote: >>> Dear, just uploaded to the wiki my comment with suggestion >>> Not accept the certification. I copy down the same comment: >>> Observations >>> after reading their bylaws, procedures and Choose a content >>> web: Mission differs >>> contained in the Statute: "... policies, >>> Implement strategies and coordinate actions aimed at reducing the Digital divide >>> Travs pulse of the Technologies Informaciny >>> the Comunicacin in all sectors and fields of the >> Society. " The statute generally >>> I estorientado: "... citizens, businesses and >>> Public and private institutions. "Never indicates actions aimed Persons >>> a particular way. >>> Observations on the >>> web page: >>> The mission: "To encourage and coordinate relations with the government Bolivian society >>> by the management of ICT tools in All sectors and >>> FIELDS. " In >>> "About Us", the reason for its creation: "Created to Contribute >>> the Plurinational State of Bolivia to the planning, Direcciny >>> execution of the actions necessary to implement the Electronic >>> Government in the country through the diffusion and use of Technologies of Informaciny >>> Comunicacin (ICT). " >>> As end user >>> Internet once quoted, "About Us >>> "but all actions aim to serve in the field Government >>> I aclarndolo specifically. This can be seen in >>> "Key Features", "Mission", "Policy How quality", "Objectives Institutional >>> "," General Strategy "," Complaint "(orientation Commercial >>> " >> "Content and Services" >>> (Commercial orientation), "Technology" (commercial orientation). In >>> "success factors, politician Leadership" requires "participation Active and direct >>> government officials. " In >>> "working components" estorientado to government and business. Regarding >>> "Services" is purely commercial. >>> >>> From the time of its creation, there was no action it intended to Internet >>> end user, and the foregoing, all his Estorientado >>> drive, on a commercial basis, to work with Companies and government >>> their country. >>> No >>> have in their statutes, or procedures, or in its Pgina Web >>> nothing that allows a glimpse of a previous or future work with the >>> (Non-commercial) Internet end user therefore, must not be >> Certified. ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:33 pm >>> >>> To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Subject: [lac-discuss-es] application FUNDETIC 193 BOLIVIA >>> Dear members of LACRALO >>> >>> >>> As has already informed the staff, we have received an application by >>> An organization of Bolivia to be part of LACRALO. >>> >>> As usual, ALAC, one asks the region "advise" a Advice >>> before incorporacino not vote for an organization to At-Large >>. We send >>> this advice for the day 10/03/2014. >>> We need >>> comments LACRALO members, and for them >>> Have opened a wiki page: >>> https://community.icann.org/display/LACRALO/Regional+Advice+needed+ALS + Appli >>> Cation +193 + >>> + BOLIVIA FUNDETIC >>> Will receive comments until >>> 03/09/2014 23:59 UTC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> See >>> attached the statute and the rules of FUNDETIC. Http://www.fundeticbolivia.org/site/ >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings >>> >>> Sylvia >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________ >>> >>> Sylvia Herlein >>> >>> >>> <mailto:sylvia@internautabrasil.org> sylvia@internautabrasil.org >>> ICANN Secretary-LACRALO >>> / 2012-2014 - <http://atlarge.icann.org/> Http://atlarge.icann.org >>> >>> 2009-2015 Secretary FLUI >>> >>> Sylvia_leite = >>> Skype >>> Descrio >>>: Assinatura_Sylvia_Internautabrasil >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lac-discuss->>>'s mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >>> _______________________________________________ >> Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> Http://www.lacralo.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Lac-discuss-en mailing list > Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > Http://www.lacralo.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/09984a38e5.html --]]