[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: ccTLD CO From: eiriarte@alfa-redi.org Hello to all The day of ccTLD co gave answer yesterday this post of Ageia Densi. The message was published and soon it was erased. The democracy is based on the unrestricted respect of the ideas of all, those that we do not like, thus we even are against any form of censorship in any form. But we copied aqui the answer of ccTLD co, like respect to the local and global community of Internet, and as a respect to the democraticosprocesses without censorship. beginning of message Some imprecisiones and absences to the truth in the published article. The preoccupation is mentioned reason why comodín can be a "dominion"and a vague and erroneous argumental line is developed that suggests to the contributor an illegal conclusion to him on the subject. Certainly there is a preoccupation of the IANA, the ICANN, the MINTIC and CO Internet in which it could have represented the use of the practice of the "WILDCARD" or also well-known like of "comodín" in the space of CO. In effect these preoccupations came to the light, first in the process of public discussion of the policy and the process of hiring advanced by the MINTIC, and were express object of manifestations on the part of ALL the agents before mentioned, leavingsure which we from a same principle were saying, which practices of "comodín" in ccTLD could not be executed CO. More important still it is the following commentary of the contributor: "Also, this process and new reality, already began to be operated commercially, without considering the voice of Colombia, its inhabitants and end users of Internet." The recent thing of the creation of the association that sponsors the article (April of 2010), or the absence of the participation in the public and institutionalized activities of debate on the part of some,did not have to justify its ignorance on the development of the managements that in a public process that took more than 10 years, andof equally public way, served the National Government to define the model of operations, the policies of administration and the selection of the organization in charge of the administration. The information on the process is available in Internet for that wantsit to consult in http://www.mintic.gov.co/mincom/faces/index.jsp?id=1279. There like conclusion of all the process, we called the attention in the saying to this paragraph in special: "the Ministry will maintain under its responsibility the policy definition, the activities of control and monitoring of recurso.co. The Domino.co will be attractive for the registry, specially of companies at world-wide level, since it facilitates his recordación, crucial element in the trade through Internet and authorizes the registry of names of one more a been brief way. That is to say, a dominion name that is registered today under a third level (empresa.com.co) in the future could be registered in second level (empresa.co)" It consequently seems important to make a call to the care of the truth, the study of the concepts and the prudence of affirmations that they disinform to the national and international community of Internet. Thanks. Eduardo Santoyo VP, ccTLD Manager CO Internet SAS aim of the message Erick Iriarte Ahon General Manager - LACTLD http://www.lactld.org The 19/04/2010, to 09:10, Juan Red Manuel wrote:
Good days to all... > Envio the text of declaration on the part of AD Colombia. > > ccTLD co > and the preoccupation of Ageia Densi Colombia > > According to > parameters of the norm of in agreement standardization ISO 3166 and > to the Colombian domestic legislation, like Law 1341 of 2009, and the Resolution > 1652 of 2008, to Colombia is identified to him territoriallyin the cyberspace > with ccTLD (Country Code Top Level Domain): co, Ageia Densi Colombia sees with distrust that this dominion is transformed into > "dominion comodÃn". The globalización of the different local commercial activities > is only permissible if it is accompanied by a "normalization" that it integrates all > activities of the productive chain. Apparently the market economy can > more than good sense. > > That distant discussion on the possibility of > that CO stopped being only territorial to become commercial is already one > inescapable certainty. The warnings of IANA (Internet Assigned ! were not enough > Numbers Authority) in its report of November of the 2009 on the dangers of > this commercialization. At this moment they exist around 50 countries that > tries to reserve to the dominion CO in registries of names that wish to use it > for commercial and related activities. > > Also exists trade studies that say > with pride that 75% of the people relate co to Company or > Corporation and with other types of commercial activities. Ageia Densi Colombia > asks which interest > public talks about the Ministry of Technologies of the Information and > Communications TIC, respect to the dominion co? > > Like > before we wrote down, IANA, has indicated, although not the only one, one of the great ones > risks in the liberalization of the Dominion co is Captura ofdominions > nonexistent by substitution, which is explained in the similarity between > dominions com and co. This situation takes shape enough in the possibility > real, "to write" registered direction! s in com but nonexistent in > co which will be taken advantage! of by t rue "electronic pirates" stops > to redirigir this traffic towards pages of its interest. According to the company that > administers the dominion, Co Internet SAS, expressed its position in recognizing that > the possibility of operation of the dominion co like comodÃn was detrimental and > exposed negative consequences for the security and stabilityof the same one. > Such position is endorsed with the expression with which they will provide its greater effort > in the implementation of good international practices to avoid that such > situations appear. > > Existe > one narrows relation between the names of dominion and the public interest. Said > relation much more passes to be important and significant that a mere one > state consecration, that in the Colombian case acquired relevance in scopes > academic and that now returns to the arena, at moments in which its opening > widely indicates the imminence of materialization of a previous risk and > announced. > Ageia > ! Densi Colombia sees with preoccupation that the documents published by > Ministry TIC very little serves and much except the paper that is observed of > Advisory Advice for the Administration of the Dominion co inthe definition of > regulation parameters. The possibility of arguing to favor or against > theories as the Digital Sovereignty and the complexity of the handling of resources like > ccTLDs, happens to background before prominent cases like the one of the dominion > tv. Other examples abounds by pile and seems to watch great controversies in > the case of co although many > wants to see it like great opportunities of business. > > Ageia > Densi Colombia will study the true impact of the decision toliberalize > dominion co at global level; what promises to be a possibility without precedents > in the Network of Networks, can be in a conflicting situation and with serious > consequences for Colombia, specially as far as its Sovereignty, to which > previous experien! ces in situations > particular does not report the best one to! him of the auguries. > > Thus > same, this process and new reality, already began to be operated > commercially, without considering the voice of Colombia, itsinhabitants and > end users of Internet. "independence" in the administration of this > resource, is not seen but like an aspect that concerns a single company > prevailed. As he is frequent in Colombia, this type of decisions is banalizan to > to pass the analysis of vital situations like this, by the interest (egoistic) > of the turn governor. It happened in the past (Licenses to Movable Operators) > happens now and will continue happening in a future. > > RED JUAN MANUEL P > AGEIA DENSI Colombia > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK > Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > mQGiBD8OdRwRBACEr0/NPA88qp8f6KyIMMveLQ1FOuLi0aDQDPybG7u1nrBoi3VI > tSRyfYcdExVxWQjTGd9qbShzXBw2DsxjA6YjiGzWKpVcqtj9uUDpSlylBaoadUzu > Sf3rÃkOHR2QJeC+9vìl30xy5XLMxDRbQYaSmfûwTlIOUWNn118KpdawCgoNny > p4DR9EvRgCmY5z6IKHA2WscD/AhAKDVHCIAoZHzSB/puNOuVUSK! 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Not to see worries it to me. > > In the profile of Antonio Medina in Facebook I saw that subio a video recently and abstracts it in pantallazo. Sera this the ACUI positio! n? > > http://twitpic.com/1gpeat > > Serious good for knowing it > > Greetings, > > Andres Piazza > > > From: joseluis@barzallo.com > > To: andrespiazzagpj@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: RE: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO > > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:01:42 -0500 > > > > Considered > > > > Our Antonio friend can help us with its commentaries fromits optics > > of Colombian user front to which it happens. > > > > gives a Antonio hand please Us? > > > > warm Greetings, > > > > Jose Luis > > > > AEDIT > > www.aedit.org.ec > > > > Columbus 535 and 6 of December. > > Edif. Cristóbal Columbus Of. 602 > > Telf: (593 2) 2528774/ 2544464 > > Fax: 593 2 2564530 > > email: joseluis@barzallo.com > > Exempt Ecuador > > > > original -----Mensaje > > Of: lac-discuss-it is -bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [ mailto:lac-discuss-is -bounces@atlarge-lists.i! cann.org ] In name of Andres > > Piazza > > Sent: Thursd! ay, 08 o f April of 2010 14:15 > > For: Spanish LACRALO > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] ccTLD CO > > > > > > > > Considered, > > Something we talked in the teleconferencing passed about ccTLD CO and many > > of us we expressed ourselves on the individual. > > > > Aprovecho to copy aqui a chain of the ready Internet Governance > > Cactus. > > > > Hay to read the post office of down upwards following theThread. > > > > I must say that opinion of Carlos Afonso identifies to me. > > > > Greetings, > > > > Andres Piazza > > > > Forwarded message > > From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa@gmail.com> > > > > Date: 2010/4/8 > > Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org, David Goldstein > > <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au> > > > > > > > > This may be interesting to many ace it dog serve ace marries study from the > > > > developing world: > > > &g! t; > > > > There plows many ccTLD disparities prevalent in the developing world. > > > > For example in the marries of Pakistan, the official ccTLD for pk was > > > > given in the Time of IANA to to Pakistani based in the U.S. who there are now > > > > eats back to Pakistan. The ccTLD www.pknic.net.pk was to under an IANA > > > > allocation and wasn't shifted to the new ICANN contracting. For a > > > > country of 170 million extra population the following plows the domain > > > > registration stats where only 29557 domains have been registered: > > > > > > > > stats for PKNIC > > > > 2010-04-07: > > > > domains: 29557 > > > > nameservers: 1179 > > > > > > > > There is to consumer in-confidence in PKNIC, people plowsreluctant to take > > > > over-priced domains from PKNIC. PKNIC only registers domains for a > > > > period of two years for $25 to domain whereas t! o TLD for dog be acquired > > > > only $16 for two year! s. Each Time the debates on decentralization of > > > > PKNIC you eat up, PKNIC there are connection in the high up you please and is > > > > easily able to revoke such efforts. > > > > > > > > When we started raising these issues, PKNIC invited and included some > > > > of our Civil Society members to its board of advisers andthe members > > > > fell for it and felt under honoured to be included in theboard that they > > > > forgot what the present Internet Governance problems were. They still > > > > continue to participate in the IGC but plows prone to PKNIC interests > > > > which of course is to very big drawback. > > > > > > > > PKNIC there are occasionally broken down in its service with outages > > > > sometimes to over weeks. Our CS members have started gaining certain > > > > interests local from PKNIC which were publicly questionedby both the > > > > and international commu! nities visible ace publicly here: > > > > http://public.icann.org/node/343. > > > > > > > > PKNIC's monopoly cannot be broken through to public-private partnership > > > > between civil society, academy, private sector and govt > > > > to multistakeholder collaboration. The result is that people plows dwells > > > > oriented to acquire TLD domains ace to per today the total TLD domains in > > > > the country stand AT approximately: > > > > > > > > Total Domains in Pakistan: 41,380 > > > > (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registries/country_stats/PK) > > > > > > > > IF we look AT our neighbouring country India, to their ccTLD runs ace a > > > > to multistakeholder partnership due to which they have dwells than half a > > > > million local domains. Similarly to their TLD registrations plows also AT > > > > the same to number: > > > > Total Domains in India: 559! ,213 > > > > (Source:http://www.webhosting.info/registr! ies/coun try_stats/IN) > > > > > > > > This clearly shows that allowing ccTLD's to monopolize totheir positions > > > > in the country effect the citizens of those countries in the following > > > > ways: > > > > > > > > 1. Control not to over ccTLD monopolies > > > > 2. Access low-cost ccTLD > > > > 3. Have to buy dwells TLD instead of ccTLD > > > > 4. Less to consumer choices > > > > 5. Cost of entry to Internet/Web too high > > > > 6. Local Lesser opportunities for initiative growth (withrespect to > > > > building local online activities backed by local domains) > > > > 7. Threat to IDNs and GTLD operations when the same ccTLDoperator dog > > > > influence govt and to other groups to host to their GLTDs/IDNs to under the > > > > same infrastructure. > > > > > > > > Such monopolies have to be broken otherwise ICANN will only be > > > > benefiting to hand! ful. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Fouad Bajwa > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 AT 4:37 A.M., David Goldstein > > > > <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > > > > > Any to register that registers DE domain names dog provide an address, even > > if for registrars outside Germany this dog be to headache. Nominet you have no > > restrictions I a.m. aware of. AuDA there are restrictionsthat say for com.au > > addresses the person or organisation must have an Australian business to number > > from the tax office and the name must have some relationship with to their > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > And when there plows to over 13 million domains, such ace DE and to over 8 million > > (UK) it * IS * much to harder to get your preferred Domain Name than say, if > > there plows to over one million (AU and CA). > > > >! ; > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > >! ; > > ; > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message > > > > > From: Carlos To Afonso <ca@cafonso.ca> > > > > > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; David Goldstein > > <goldstein_david@yahoo.com.au> > > > > > Sent: Wed, 7 April, 2010 10:58:41 P.m. > > > > > Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > > > > > > > > > David, some additional comments below. > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > David Goldstein wrote: > > > > > > Carlos ET to, > > > > > [... ] > > > > > > for Some have to requirement to the premises contact ace part of the > > > > > > registration process, but this is often easily provided by a > > > > > > to register. And the given that world's to number oneccTLD and probably > > > > > > to number 2 ccTLD, DE and! UK respectively, allow people from around > > > > > > the world to to register domain names in their ccTLDsand the world > > > > > > hasn't fails in, then it's not too big to problem. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about any restrictions in Nominet (could not find specific > > > > > policy requirements in their Web site), but DENIC requires to legal > > > > > German address: "It is possible for individuals or institutions (that > > > > > have legal capacity) not located in Germany to to register de domains. > > > > > There is, to however, to condition, namely that they must appoint an > > > > > administrative contact who is resident in Germany and who you have to postcard > > > > > possible address AT which it is to serve documents (i.e. not to mere P.O. > > > > > box). The administrative contact is then also the person formally > > > > > authorized ! by the domain to holder to receive service of official or cour! t > > > > documents (ZustellungsbevollmÀchtigter) within the meaning of the German > > > > > Code of Civil Procedure (Zivilprozessordnung) and the German Code of > > > > > Criminal Procedure (Strafprozessordnung). For The reason this measure is > > > > > to ensure that if any party there are to legal claim topursue, it is not made > > > > > dwells difficult for them by having to serve official or court documents > > > > > in another country, which is often to long, drawn-out process." > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about AuDA to either, but CIRA (Canada) does require proof of > > > > > legal Canadian citizenship or to address in Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > The main issue I see is that by opening up the ccTLD means it is > > > > > > to harder for residents to get to their own ccTLD domain. > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about this. Is t! hink it might even become to easier, although they > > > > > will have to is incumbent on for certain addresses withglobal registrants. My > > > > > point is that this "internationalization" just to make money defeats the > > > > > original purpose of having ccTLDs national ace the realm of identities in > > > > > the Domain Name System. Otherwise, let U.S. all join GNSO:) > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message From: Carlos To Afonso <ca@cafonso.ca> > > > > > > To: governance@lists.cpsr.org; McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com> Sent: Wed, > > > > > > 7 April, 2010 9:11:35 P.m. Subject: Re: [ governance ] privatising ccTLDs > > > > > > > > > &! gt; > > > > > > > > Hi McTim, I dog start ! by sayin g: cheap and quick way to get to gTLD... > > > > > >:) There is to business group which convinces to community (or to their > > > > > > government, ace I think Colombians have not had the opportunity to > > > > > > properly and widely debates this) that to their national identity on the > > > > > > Internet is not to longer relevant and let you take to over and convert > > > > > > to their ccTLD into to commodity for the international domain market. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the marries of Colombia, it is clears strange. It is to country with 44 > > > > > > million people, relatively high HDI and the third largest South > > > > > > American economy -- hard to see how this is going to generate any > > > > > > significant amount of money to benefit Colombia -- this is Officers' Club of Revolutionary Armed Forces from > > > > > > being! Tuvalu. On the to other hand, given the size ofthe economy and > > > > > > Internet penetration in the country, it is hard to see how a > > > > > > non-profit self-sustainable operation to keep to their ccTLD in the > > > > > > national commons would not succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > But this is my view and I a.m. not to Colombian (justto Latin American), > > > > > > under... But it makes me sad to know that xyz.co not to longer points to a > > > > > > Colombian Internet space. > > > > > > > > > > > > frt rgds > > > > > > > > > > > > -- c.a. > > > > > > > > > > > > McTim wrote: > > >>>>> http://www.cointernet.co/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Do we have any thing to say on this? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This type of thing would be to ! fruitful workshop topic IMO. > > >>>>> > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Carlos To Afonso > > > > > CGI.br (www.cgi.br) > > > > > Nupef (www.nupef.org.br) > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > new/nuevo/novo email: ca@cafonso.ca > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > You received this message ace to subscriber on the list: > > > > governance@lists.cpsr.org > > > > To be you remove from the list, send any message to: > > > > governance-unsubscribe@lists.cpsr.org > > > > > > > > For all list information and functions, see: > > > > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > > > > > > > > Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t > > > > ______________________________________________! ___________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists > > icann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists... > > http://www.lacralo.org
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