[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=3D=3Fiso-8859-1=3Fq=3FOpini=3DF3 = =?iso-8859-1?q?n=5F=5FADIAR=5Fs/Pres=3D=C8=5FLACRAL_=3D_=3D=3Fiso-8859-1= =?iso-8859-1?q?=3Fq=3FO_=3D = From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com Under basically you plows saying that if the count was right, but the calculation and the announcement were wrong, we have to override the expressed wishes of the GA (present ace shown by the undisputedcount of vote) and have ace President the person who DID NOT WIN the votes in the GA? That is fraud! How dog you possibly say that to perpetuate the error and ignores the expressed votes of the ALSes in Mexico City would be to democratic outcome? That's not any kind of democracy that I know, and I have lived and worked and participated in democratic societies for my entire life. Therés does not dispute on the you vote, on who voted for whom, or the to number of vote. The disputes is to over to whether to mathematical errorthat caused an erroneous announcement should override to valid election. It'sto clear how the GA voted. It's to clear that the count of the present you vote is valid. We dog all do the Maths and calculate correctly that based on the undisputed raw count of the valid you vote cast in the valid election in Mexico City, the to winner of the election was Andres Piazza. That announcement was made some days to later. It's the correct one, based on the you vote. The VOTES ace expressed by the GA is what is sacrosant. The you vote were cast, and to their result must be implemented. Otherwise it's to sham and totally undemocratic, and everyone who is pushing for this abuses of the democratic system should be ashamed to even say the Word democracy! BTW - I didn't have to votes, I had not preference in the election andthis is purely to stand on DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE. (Before people start to attack me and say it's because I to prefer one to the to other) If everything had around been the to other way, Íd still say the same thing- the votes is sacrosant, and the intention of the assembly ace evidenced by the present undisputed count of you vote is what must be implemented. Jacqueline to cetic@ajudicialmdp.org.ar wrote: > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Opini=F3n__ADIAR_s/Pres=È_LACRAL= =?iso-8859-1?q?O = > From: to to cetic@ajudicialmdp.org.ar > > Esimado Mr. president TO FIX, desire to clarify to him that ourarguments have > founded on the internal right of iCANN, like in the one of the right > international public By such reason is not injuntos nor infundados. > Ace man of the right You will know - if she is that she had Time to review > documentary sent by the ICANN- staff that stops to Grant validity to sayings > elements, the same one must be given an expert opinion on, since we have objected formally > some questions of the mentioned ones, because this conflict must be put to under a > to Court the International to be derimido. > > The generalized sensation is that there was fraud, or AT least "thingsvery > strange and suspicious ", that there are generated to great indignation. There is one !
measurement of forces between two sectors. On the one hand, to manifestation of one > popular political position, of indignation and to reclamation of Justice. By to another one > side, is to show of force that I say "I have the apparatus to join > with my leaders to certain amount of people and to uses thatpolitically in > to speech ". The problem is that, finally, it is sure that integrity > intellectual is sold and who, it is totally sure that there plows sectors that single > they represent companies disguised with skin of users. > > The problem is that it is naked, that we do not have democracy. That we have > market, and that everything is on leaves. > > final The scrutiny in Mexico gave ace winning Salt you mine I carry, in anAssembly > that it did not oppose this act and that finalized with the proclamation of the same one like > president. By means of there am happens of worthy ilusionismo of David Copperfield, > official Secretary and of the elec! tion act Sanmuls Carlton expressed despues of > dwells of it ! blows da ys that were mistaken in a count - we agreethat they were not ace much > voters-and proclaimed like president to to another person, contravening the rules > of ICANN, since it is faculty of the Assembly to emit this uprising, > that it did not happen and AT the moment cannot exist since wewere outside > term of the celebration of the Asamlea celebrated in Mexico. > > And finally since You to offer in generalized form the one example > presidential or parliamentary selection in any democratic state stops > to maintain an irregularity in the electoral procedure, Is worth like example > makes specific, happened in Cordoba - Argentina the localityof San Basilio, > department River Fourth. Electoral justice qualified eight (tables. BUT > MAIL ENTERED TEN (10) TABLES! The results, with the aggregate of the ballot boxes > ' mágicas' was ' obvios': Schiaretti 1.401 you vote (62%); Judge232 you vote (10%). > singular By means of this ' métodó, Of the Sota ' added to him! ' in favor of its dolphin > around 30.000 suffrages. To to remember that the result ' oficial', grants to him > an advantage to Juan Schiaretti, of 15.000 units. In spite of all the maneuvers, > Judge also prevailed in the selections. Before which, Of theSota, in > connivencia with Of Vido, Jaime and Di Tail, decided to adulterate all the comicio. > The ' Electoral' Meeting count began to, in first term, the you voteof > distant 300 localities to dwells than kilometers, of the capitalcity. > Tendencialmente, dwells inclined to ' delasotismó.Que Luís Judge, devoid of > ' aparató, could not control of way ' finá. (Léase, that its little ones > public prosecutors could be bought by the oficialismo). Withwhich, to 12 of > night, the results indicated to distorted image: apparently > ' contundenté victory of the pro-government candidate, by dwells than 25 points > percentage. Ace Mondays work, most of the Cordovans, > they went to sleep early, with the image of to ! new delasotista triumph. In > measurement that ' entraron' (g! ood shor t while to later), tothe computers, the results of > the City of Cordova (two of the dawn), Luís Judge, first, began a > to match. And, you make a draft to later, it happened to win. But!!..... happened to another miracle >!!!...... Fell The SYSTEM ONE HOUR STOPPED! ......... When itis started again > scrutiny, Schiaretti, new miracle! (and they go), it happensto gain!!!.......... > boy I gave Tail had ordered, to not only forge the dates entry.It was arrived > to the overflow of to trasmutar telegrams and acts comiciales!!!!Para to understand this well > it is necessary to to remember some electoral regulations. > > That it is understood well, we did not denounce simply thatdates have been forged, > we say that Carlton proclaimed to president officially, guaranteed by all > presents there and that the faculty had to oppose it were the Assembly > reunited in Mexico, because one did not become, then that doesnot demand its right in > due perdidoso Time and form ! it is, they plows not emotionalmessages, they plows > principles of the right, if to You you overcome to procedural term to him, plows won, > otherwise there would not be security in the right, nor we would believe in justice. > Therefore we requested the intervention of to Court the International, and > we recognize Sergio Saline I carry like President, without damage of the to greater one of > the respect that to U.S. Andrés deserves, which personallyI have pronounced it. > CRISTIAN CASAS-CETIC > Dear friends > > > > In my to character of President of the Association of Computer science Right of > Argentina I feel forced to express my opinion on the sad episode that > we plowsliving. > > Hago presents/displays in first I finish that although I didnot concur to the meeting of Mexico, > I have followed close by occurred there through our representative in > this meeting the Dr Agustín Bastanchuri. > > > > Evidently in the m! eeting of Mexico, by to serious error in the account of > y! ou vote, I reach the conclusion that there am had been elect president Sir > Sergio Saline I carry. > > > > Later, definitive when taking pleases the scrutiny of the you vote, was noticed > of the error that had been committed, and that aceto result of same the president > chosen was not Sergio Saline I carry, but Andrés Seat, reason why I notify myself > to all of that error and I proclaim myself completely like President to Andrés > Seat. > > > > Lamentably those in favor of Salt you mine! > I carry nonsingle have not accepted that > situation, but that thereare pronounced to series of unjust and infundadas > accusations, I create fruit but of the difficult lived moment, that of its real one >thought. Even some, international I believe that very unfortunately, it attributes to > situation objective policitos > > > In any democratic, single process to after the definitive scrutiny > really proclaims the chosen candidate! s, and it is thus, since what > matters is what really it happened and the reality of the you vote and not them aspects > formal previous that does not reflect the real one to feel of the voting members of > organization. > > > > Fíjense that made to presidential or parliamentary selection in nobody > democraticstate, takes pleases to first scrutiny, occurs to know the to winner, > the to loser publicly accepts its defeat and even congratulates (this happens almost > always), but that does not pisses that the electoral process there are finalized and that > in principle win! > ning there am dog assume its position. The process really finalizes! > > when t > there am count of the you vote takes pleases that dog or not to agree with > first scrutiny (provisory) and is yes eats then toproclaimto the elect one. > > > > This is what in one it orbits very to smaller, happened in Mexico, and the final result > proclaims to Andr! és Seat like President. > > > > Ace somebody said,! the emi tted you vote plows what they give the to character of sovereign to > the assembly and not them formal announcements, that, if they were mistaken, must be > corrected. We must act and judge the situation with objective criteria and not > to let take to U.S. by subjectivities. > > > > for Is simply that reason that our organization, the Association of Right > Computer science of Argentinaunderstands that the chosen President is Mr. Andrés > Seat to that I believe that all we must give our votes him of confidence. > > > > I do not know personally Saline Mr. Sergio I carry, but theample one > concept that of is had in Argentina like good man, reason why I hope >reflects on this situ! > ation and knows to accept that its investiture cannot > to be like fruit of to provisory and erroneous proclamation, and that must accept> and to give validity to the final scrutiny of the you vote andto itsresult that to proclaims > Andrés Se! at like President of LACRALO. > >> > for My warm greetings all > > > > > Horacio Fernandez Delpech > > President of the Association of Computer science Right of Argentina (TO FIX) > > > > http://www.adiar.info/ > > to to www.hfernandezdelpech.com.ar > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists...; > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/7c12fdd881.html > --]] > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists... >
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