[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Voting and cancellations From: vanda@scartezini.org Carlos, I think it is best to do. Veer list of credentialed for the elections, read their statements of interest and be ready to vote. I also voted in both surveys but I understand that there were complex issues that must be addressed by correct processes. If there is any difficulty in ways no reason not to go ahead and complete the process. I think everyone in our group devote their time and effort to accomplish their task. If some do more than others do so for different opportunities and skills they have, not because they value roughly LACRALO or contributions to be made to ICANN. Hugs Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> "On Behalf Of Carlos Raul Gutierrez Date: Friday, August 21, 2015 at 00:48 To: Alberto Soto Cc: "lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> " Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations In the common sense? In the bitter experience of the last election parody? Perhaps Fatima is just using common sense, so rare these days ......... these days where everyone has their eyes on accountability and transparency of an entity called ICANN, which seems to be on a different planet LACRALO. back to the ground and read in high voice the SOI, we vote with our conscience and accountability and transparency back to work. Good evening Carlos Raul Gutierrez _____________________ email: crg@isoc-cr.org <mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org> Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cell) +506 4000 2000 (home) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Section 1571-1000 San Jose, COSTA RICA On Aug 20, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > Wrote: Fatima, please could you specify what standard these basing your strong statement of point 2? Thank you Alberto Soto From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of Antonio Medina Gomez Posted on: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:02 AM To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com<mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> >; Carlos Vera Q <cveraq@gmail.com<mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> >; Spanish LACRALO <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations Thanks Fatima and Carlos by express what must be expressed at the right time. +1 The 08/20/2015 21:53, "Fatima Cambronero" <fatimacambronero@gmail.com<mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > He wrote: Dear, I come to express my support for the statement made by Carlos Vera. There is an open voting process, and it must end, for the following reasons: 1. First, because there was never a call for consensus. Therefore, neither the President nor the Secretary may decide that there was consensus when we were never asked the community to manifest us that sentido.Si was not called the consensus, we can not conclude that there was no way of consensus. 2. Being open and running a voting process, and you can not call consensus.If they wanted to know if there was consensus, it should have asked first before opening the voting. 3. Once a community member makes a point of order, this motion because it "belongs" to the community, and the Chair and Secretariat should arbirtar the means to fulfill it. That does not mean being a voting process already open, you are going to consult the community member who made the point of order, if you like now make friendly amendments. And the vote being open, is sent to vote on the motion as it was expressed in the statement that was sent to vote, can not change that motion at that time (like Carlos, I have voted both times they asked us vote on this issue). So then express my point of order, I require that the Chair and the Secretariat, with the support of Staff, will give effect to this motion: "It should rescind arbitrary and unfounded decision to cancel the vote on the motion proposed by Alejandro Pisanty and continue the voting process inciado the motion on August 19 at 23 UTC and end date August 26 23 UTC. " Thank you to please stop making so much carelessness as to the procedures, and in case of not knowing how to proceed, support from community members or staff who are trained in these issues is sought. Thanks also to waste no time in answering this mail attacks to defend themselves. I made a point of order. I request you to please the means to implement it arbitrate. Best regards, Fatima Cambronero The August 20, 2015, 21:33, Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq@gmail.com<mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> > He wrote: Thanks for the input and reflection Juan Manuel I receive and process. Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq On 20/08/2015, at 20:59, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi@yahoo.com<mailto:jumaropi@yahoo.com> > He wrote: Alberto, Carlos, everyone. What is really unfortunate is that the list becomes active when elections are approaching any kind. It is also a pity that not all participate as often as necessary or required either inside or in the LACRALO ALAC WG volume. Unfortunately it is, and has been a common practice. And when someone proposes something, it does not miss the one disagrees and intends to oppose (because yes, no or maybe because, as I say or colloquially, by sport). So, it is very difficult to establish a community of volunteer work precisely that part of the will of those who conform. Are we really going to let the participation to become an election process in which wins the most support have and not who deserves it by experience or work?It's just a reflection that I want to make the list taking advantage of "participatory" they are all. Sincerely, JUAN MANUEL ROJAS Social communicator President - AGEIA DENSI Colombia Twitter:JmanuRojas <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas> Join LACRALO: https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es On Thursday, August 20, 2015 20:52:22 Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > He wrote: Carlos is a shame that will not serve the explanations. I ask everyone to think about the time you spent in the past year within LACRALO. That one personal reflection and made everyone look for LACRALO. In what important issue they shed their opinion, in that working group turned their effort. They participated webinar. Public comment that they turned their opinion. A LACRALO answered that call. Only he is wrong, he works. No one who says we do go to war and fight. This may help us to learn to participate, and then demand. Best regards Alberto Soto -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Vera Quintana [mailto: cveraq@gmail.com <mailto:cveraq@gmail.com> ] Posted on: Thursday, August 20, 2015 10:01 pm To: Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > CC: LACRALO Spanish <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Voting and cancellations Alberto is not a criticism only. It is a claim because it is not possible to abort processes continuously. If a vote is started it must be completed. It is not about a complaint about procedures with input from ALS or work of its members. We must learn to assume the responsibilities that we undertake or assume positions. Carlos Vera Quintana 0988141143 Follow mecveraq
El 20/8/2015, a las 19:38, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org<mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> escribió:
Estimados, todos los procesos que se llevaron a cabo últimamente, lo fueron en todo e acuerdo con la normativa que nos rige. La explicación que se está pidiendo, está en el mismo mail que enviamos. Quizás no se explicó que hubo varios problemas de acceso y comunicación con la wiki, si leen los mails pueden comprobarlo. Jacqueline hizo un comentario en la lista de correo porque no podía acceder a la wiki, y luego colocó su propuesta de modificación en la misma. La comunicación desde la wiki a quienes estamos registrados para ser informados de los comentarios en la misma, no funcionó. El proceso de voto hay había sido emitido. Pese a ello, Alejandro fue consultado y dio su aprobación a la propuesta de Jacqueline, además de pronunciarse respecto a la suspensión de la votación y no volver a reanudarla. Creo que las fallas técnicas no pueden ser atribuidas a las personas. Y como venimos repitiendo, necesitamos y agradecemos estas críticas, pero también necesitamos contribuciones para los trabajos que tenemos que hacer para nuestra Región. Si son solo críticas, nunca avanzaremos. Saludos cordiales
Alberto Soto
-----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] En nombre de Carlos Vera Quintana Enviado el: jueves, 20 de agosto de 2015 9:16 p. m. Para: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Votaciones y anulaciones
Estimados: con el proceso fallido de votación sobre la moción de Alejandro Pisanty suman varios procesos que se anuncian y someten a votación sin mayor fundamento y que luego en medio de una votación son objetados y reemplazados por otros.
Es necesario tener mas cuidado en los procesos para evitar estas fallas.
Yo he votado ya varias veces cuando se anuncia la votación que luego se anula o invalida.
Espero que este cordial llamado de atención se tome en cuenta y merezca debida respuesta de los responsables.
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