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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3F_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Confusi? == Iso-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-= 5FClarF3n = 5Fde = 5Fla = 5FRegi_ = 3D = 3F_? == iso-8859-1? q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n 3F_ = 3D =? = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Please can someone translate the inglsa Rok, to stop free offend? Rok, may reduce your feedback please without words offensive? Do not know the right way, without offending? If you do not know do so, shall do ... Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of rok@bango.org.bb Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 a.m. To lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = [[- Translated text (in -> s) -]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q?Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = From: rok@bango.org.bb Jose, I have problems in Translation but from what I understand to mean, this is my answer: You did make a decision that is not really yours. Unable determine that a candidate does not meet the requirements when ample evidence in the rules suggests that the applicant meets the requirements. A decisin decisin is in one way or another. Is a cuestin of tratde opininy to impose their view. If one rules Quera President for execution decisions that have written in the same explaining how the administrative role of the secrete. If a estahno rule can not assume that you can carry out this function. The rules are very clear and can not be attributed to a role smismo this is hay.Hay not a reason for quel President has no executive estclaro paper and from the rules that the reason for this is not as, this is action because the rules for all members to participate in the take making. This is very consistent with the spirit of the rules. Ques inconsistent with the rules is that a person can not make a decision on names of all members of LACRALO and therefore, in the absence of to make such provisions decisin especficas, you exceed your limits, if you do. In such Accin law called "Vires Ultra ". How can be a mistake to let the members decide? You're saying that members are not competent to make this decision? Or are you afraid of that most Humberto decided that meets the requirement, which is what you do not want?Do not you trust most to make the decision correct? Now this is a problem. You are not "president". You is President. Use president's word is misleading and can not assume that because you are President to have the entire executive branch. His role as President writes to the operating principles of LACRALO Paragraph 4: "Its functions include, inter alia, to establish a link between ALAC discussions and contributions made by the region, representing The ALAC region in face to face meetings and lead discussions of Assembly held through discussion lists, teleconferences and face to face meetings. " No decision here, except in chairing meetings. Despite their role as emissary lets not take any decision or declare any LACRALO positions that were not approved by the members of LACRALO. It seems clear to me that the rules are written in this way because it LACRALO based on the total participation, which is a fundamental aspect of democracy. Also mean ICANN and LACRALO not want any decision of a single man. It established inputs for wide. This is consistent with the form in ICANN operates (looking the contributions of users) and obviously was established LACRALO this spirit. According to the rules, this is not a one man show. It is a collective operation. Let us therefore respect the rules and not mock the rules to do what a man wants to be. To use the preferred term, there is no "power" in the hands of the President, all the power is in the hands of the members collectively. The rules are very clear on this point.As a member I will not LACRALO sit and let you make a record that goes against the spirit of LACRALO or ICANN that were created with the specific purpose of gathering opinions of users to influence policy ICANN. Let me say here that the Secretariat is provided with all the power executive given powers and this is limited to the administration, while the President has no executive powers whatsoever. Once again the role of organization is the reason for this, because even the Secretariat can not take such a decision. I therefore suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules for avoid a repeat of this kind of debacle. Also suggest that the members made the rules were not hallucinating or drunk in the time, knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote exactly how wanted the organization to manage.The "power" of LACRALO is in the Assembly and specifies what constitutes the Assembly. South Korea ----- Original Message ----- From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:59 A: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = [[- Text translation (en -> en) -]] Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_Clar F3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Dear, Just to clarify the situation so far seems confused about of the issue of implementation of ALAC, briefly discuss the situation raised. 1) Most of you have spoken out against what The president's decision drew. I have that first error. Never decisin take some text and copy the last paragraph of my post e, where You see, just say the word THINK. All that is derived alles correct. Presidency has made no decision. * ... The Presidency considers that fail Carrasco Sr.Humberto residency requirements for acceptance as a candidate vlido within the electoral process, which is open to cover representative office LACRALO to ALAC * ... 2) It is a mistake to go to a votacin agree or not decisin does not exist and never existed. This president does not expressly against which the region is expressed and to make the decision. : What will not and allow opondr me, voting is based on incorrect assumptions and Against decisions that did not exist. 3) Not having clear rules brings disadvantages. The powers of the estn presidency within a frame within a valid assembly. No ALUSIN there any permisin to make a decision of that kind, but there is no explicit denial thereof. With these points covering cuestin aqusolo wanted to clarify, and Monday tendroportunidad day to answer questions want.Once again, the president never had a decisin nor opposed the votacin.Asimismo consult with legal staff of ICANN, and talk to everyone who should speak cuestin also expressed in my email. I ask all who read the email again and if doubt consult close range. With this aclaracin, hopefully clarification on Monday and fix everything. Regards JosArce _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5fb9391315.html --]]
Sorry Alberto, I have not written anything offensive. It therefore has to be the translation. I REPEAT, I HAVE NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING OFFENSIVE. ROK -----Original Message----- From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:29 AM To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3F_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q= 3F_Confusi? == Iso-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-=5FClarF3n = 5Fde = 5Fla = 5FRegi_ = 3D = 3F_? == iso-8859-1?q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n 3F_ = 3D =? = [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? = 3D = 3F_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Confusi? == Iso-8859-1? Q? = F3n_ = 3D_F3n = 5F-= 5FClarF3n = 5Fde = 5Fla = 5FRegi_ = 3D = 3F_? == iso-8859-1? q? = 3D = 3D_Iso-8859-1 = 3F_Q = 3F_Ificaci_ = 3D_F3n 3F_ = 3D =? = From: asoto@ibero-americano.org Please can someone translate the inglsa Rok, to stop free offend? Rok, may reduce your feedback please without words offensive? Do not know the right way, without offending? If you do not know do so, shall do ... Alberto Soto ----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of rok@bango.org.bb Posted on: Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:09 a.m. To lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = [[- Translated text (in -> s) -]] Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q?Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = From: rok@bango.org.bb Jose, I have problems in Translation but from what I understand to mean, this is my answer: You did make a decision that is not really yours. Unable determine that a candidate does not meet the requirements when ample evidence in the rules suggests that the applicant meets the requirements. A decisin decisin is in one way or another. Is a cuestin of tratde opininy to impose their view. If one rules Quera President for execution decisions that have written in the same explaining how the administrative role of the secrete. If a estahno rule can not assume that you can carry out this function. The rules are very clear and can not be attributed to a role smismo this is hay.Hay not a reason for quel President has no executive estclaro paper and from the rules that the reason for this is not as, this is action because the rules for all members to participate in the take making. This is very consistent with the spirit of the rules. Ques inconsistent with the rules is that a person can not make a decision on names of all members of LACRALO and therefore, in the absence of to make such provisions decisin especficas, you exceed your limits, if you do. In such Accin law called "Vires Ultra ". How can be a mistake to let the members decide? You're saying that members are not competent to make this decision? Or are you afraid of that most Humberto decided that meets the requirement, which is what you do not want?Do not you trust most to make the decision correct? Now this is a problem. You are not "president". You is President. Use president's word is misleading and can not assume that because you are President to have the entire executive branch. His role as President writes to the operating principles of LACRALO Paragraph 4: "Its functions include, inter alia, to establish a link between ALAC discussions and contributions made by the region, representing The ALAC region in face to face meetings and lead discussions of Assembly held through discussion lists, teleconferences and face to face meetings. " No decision here, except in chairing meetings. Despite their role as emissary lets not take any decision or declare any LACRALO positions that were not approved by the members of LACRALO. It seems clear to me that the rules are written in this way because it LACRALO based on the total participation, which is a fundamental aspect of democracy. Also mean ICANN and LACRALO not want any decision of a single man. It established inputs for wide. This is consistent with the form in ICANN operates (looking the contributions of users) and obviously was established LACRALO this spirit. According to the rules, this is not a one man show. It is a collective operation. Let us therefore respect the rules and not mock the rules to do what a man wants to be. To use the preferred term, there is no "power" in the hands of the President, all the power is in the hands of the members collectively. The rules are very clear on this point.As a member I will not LACRALO sit and let you make a record that goes against the spirit of LACRALO or ICANN that were created with the specific purpose of gathering opinions of users to influence policy ICANN. Let me say here that the Secretariat is provided with all the power executive given powers and this is limited to the administration, while the President has no executive powers whatsoever. Once again the role of organization is the reason for this, because even the Secretariat can not take such a decision. I therefore suggest that you familiarize yourself with the rules for avoid a repeat of this kind of debacle. Also suggest that the members made the rules were not hallucinating or drunk in the time, knew exactly what they were doing and they wrote exactly how wanted the organization to manage.The "power" of LACRALO is in the Assembly and specifies what constitutes the Assembly. South Korea ----- Original Message ----- From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:59 A: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_ClarF3n_de_la_Regi =? Iso ==-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = [[- Text translation (en -> en) -]] Subject: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Confusion = F3n_-_Clar F3n_de_la_Regi =? == Iso-8859-1? Q? Ificaci = F3n? = From: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com Dear, Just to clarify the situation so far seems confused about of the issue of implementation of ALAC, briefly discuss the situation raised. 1) Most of you have spoken out against what The president's decision drew. I have that first error. Never decisin take some text and copy the last paragraph of my post e, where You see, just say the word THINK. All that is derived alles correct. Presidency has made no decision. * ... The Presidency considers that fail Carrasco Sr.Humberto residency requirements for acceptance as a candidate vlido within the electoral process, which is open to cover representative office LACRALO to ALAC * ... 2) It is a mistake to go to a votacin agree or not decisin does not exist and never existed. This president does not expressly against which the region is expressed and to make the decision. : What will not and allow opondr me, voting is based on incorrect assumptions and Against decisions that did not exist. 3) Not having clear rules brings disadvantages. The powers of the estn presidency within a frame within a valid assembly. No ALUSIN there any permisin to make a decision of that kind, but there is no explicit denial thereof. With these points covering cuestin aqusolo wanted to clarify, and Monday tendroportunidad day to answer questions want.Once again, the president never had a decisin nor opposed the votacin.Asimismo consult with legal staff of ICANN, and talk to everyone who should speak cuestin also expressed in my email. I ask all who read the email again and if doubt consult close range. With this aclaracin, hopefully clarification on Monday and fix everything. Regards JosArce _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5fb9391315.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5209 - Release Date: 08/19/12
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