Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT (ES): Votar en 2019 LACRALO Elecciones y Principios Operativos
<TBT> Dear friends The proposal election alternatives raises some points not clearly stated: I understood there was a small group to define options for the election this May. First option raises an important question. It states To use the electoral rules of the current rules of procedure (rules 12, 13, 19 and 20) to elect all leadership positions (Chair, vice chair, secretary, vice secretary and ALAC member) and to elect the suggested candidate for the NOMCOM to which the new operating principles refer. How we will define how will start the rotation principle to vote to Nomcom? Since the proposal is to use the new rule and it states will follow Nomcom rules, ALAC rules and the Rotation principles? Alphabetic order? We have Caribe at the position, so next possible elected shall be Central America? Any other alternative for starting the rotations? This alternative is not clearly state at the vote process , so none will see what is the idea. By the other hand if we have an agreed solution for starting the rotation process why not vote under such process for all members????? Regarding option 2 it is even more inconclusive: the proposal is not have a vote process at all?? It is not clear if we will vote or if the present members in all positions will remain till 2020. Appreciate clearer information before vote. Vanda Scartezini Polo Consultores Associados Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 Sorry for any typos. From: "lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf of Harold Arcos <harold.arcos@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 18:16 To: Alberto Soto <alberto@soto.net.ar> Cc: ICANN Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org>, "lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org" <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT (ES): Votar en 2019 LACRALO Elecciones y Principios Operativos Estimado Alberto Las Credenciales de Votación pueden buscarlas en sus bandejas Spam o pestañas de Update de gmail. Por favor verifiquen y si falta alguien favor comunicármelo urgente con copia al Staff Disculpen la lentitud de los correos pero la conexión Internet está muy lenta acá en Caracas. Quedo a sus órdenes,, On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 4:31 PM <alberto@soto.net.ar<mailto:alberto@soto.net.ar>> wrote: Estimado Sergio, hay gente que me está pidiendo aclaraciones y yo no las puedo dar. El hecho de no tener conocimiento sobre los antecedentes de estas opciones, está causando inconvenientes. Además no han sido emitidas las credenciales para votar, por lo que hay quienes la están esperando para votar. Y entiendo que se vota contestando el mail, aunque no está aclarado. Saludos Alberto Sotol De: lac-discuss-es <lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>> En nombre de ICANN At-Large Staff Enviado el: lunes, 29 de abril de 2019 03:13 p.m. Para: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT (ES): Votar en 2019 LACRALO Elecciones y Principios Operativos Queridos todos, Se le ha preguntado al electorado de ALS de LACRALO la siguiente pregunta (ES): Es necesario llevar a cabo la elección de los nuevos lideres. Como se ha discutido en LACRALO, existe una dicotomía entre los actuales principios operativos (nuevos) y las Reglas de procedimiento vigentes. Para solucionar este problema se han propuesto dos opciones. La primera opción significa elegir los 5 cargos descritos en los nuevos principios operativos (presidente, vicepresidente, secretario, vicesecretario y miembro de ALAC) y proponer al miembro de NOMCOM de acuerdo con las actuales Reglas de Procedimiento. Elegir esta opción, supone que las nuevas Reglas de Procedimiento se aprobarán antes del 31 de octubre de 2019 para que el nuevo Liderazgo pueda comenzar en ICANN66. La segunda opción, conlleva aplicar los antiguos principios operativos hasta el 31 de marzo del 2020. Si esto ocurre, las posiciones de liderazgo elegidas se limitan a 3: presidente, secretario y un miembro de ALAC. El miembro de NOMCOM también se propone conforme estas reglas. Elegir esta opción conlleva aprobar las nuevas Reglas de Procedimiento antes del 31 de marzo de 2020. Esto retrasaría el principio de rotación en un año. Estas son las opciones: OPCIÓN 1) a.- Utilizar las reglas electorales de las reglas de procedimiento actuales (reglas 12, 13, 19 y 20) a la elección de todos los puestos de liderazgo (presidente-vicepresidente, secretario, vicesecretario y miembro de ALAC) y a la elección del candidato sugerido para el NOMCOM a que se refieren los nuevos principios operativos. El proceso electoral comenzará a las 23 UTC del 03 de mayo. b.- Si se elige esta opción, LACRALO tendrá hasta fines de octubre del 2019 para aprobar las Nuevas reglas de procedimiento para dar plena aplicabilidad a los Principios Operativos actuales. OPCIÓN 2) a.- Aprobar la siguiente norma transitoria: "Se posterga la entrada en vigencia de los nuevos principios operativos de LACRALO hasta el comienzo de las elecciones de liderazgo del año 2020. En el intertanto, volveran a tener vigencia los antiguos principios operativos de LACRALO." El proceso electoral comenzará a las 23 UTC del 03 de mayo. b.- Si se elige esta opción, LACRALO tendrá hasta fines de marzo del 2020 para aprobar las Nuevas reglas de procedimiento para dar plena aplicabilidad a los Nuevos Principios Operativos. ¿Cual es la opción de su preferencia? Se ha pedido a los representantes de ALS de LACRALO que emitan su voto. El proceso de votación se regirá por los artículos 12, 19 y 20 de las Reglas de Procedimiento actuales<https://community.icann.org/x/cxDxAg>. Tenga en cuenta que la encuesta se cerrará el miércoles 01 de mayo a las 23:59 UTC. 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Dear Vanda, I posted about this in the governance group in early April some time ago, I'll quote the relevant sections Our operating principles specified the rotation principle agreed upon by all following the deliberations at Puerto Rico and subsequent meeting of the governance wg and then approved by all in LACRALO. 7.2.a – The region is divided into four (4) subregions comprising the following countries: A) Central America and Mexico: Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico and Panama. B) Andes: Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela. C) Caribbean: Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Cuba, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, St. Lucia, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago D) Mercosur: Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay. We start the rotation using the definitions of the sub-regions in the OP and numbered sequentially. The rotation starts at the next sub region from the domicile of the incumbent Chair, Secretariat and ALAC. This means for this year: - Chair nominations will be sought from region A (since the chair is from Region D) for a period of two years. - Chair elect nominations will be sought from region B excluding Chile (because of ALAC member) for a period of two years. - Secretary nominations will be sought from Region C (since Secretary Is from region B) excluding Trinidad and Tobago (because of Nomcom member) for a period of two years. - Secretary-elect nominations will be sought from Region D for a period of two years. - ALAC nominations will be from region D (as ALAC Member is from C) for a period of two years. Dev Anand Teelucksingh On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:29 AM Vanda Scartezini <vanda@scartezini.org> wrote:
<TBT>
Dear friends
The proposal election alternatives raises some points not clearly stated:
I understood there was a small group to define options for the election this May. First option raises an important question. It states *To use the electoral rules of the current rules of procedure (rules 12, 13, 19 and 20) to elect all leadership positions (Chair, vice chair, secretary, vice secretary and ALAC member) and to elect the suggested candidate for the NOMCOM to which the new operating principles refer. *
*How we will define how will start the rotation principle to vote to Nomcom? Since the proposal is to use the new rule and it states will follow Nomcom rules, ALAC rules and the Rotation principles?*
Alphabetic order? We have Caribe at the position, so next possible elected shall be Central America? Any other alternative for starting the rotations? This alternative is not clearly state at the vote process , so none will see what is the idea.
By the other hand if we have an agreed solution for starting the rotation process why not vote under such process for all members?????
Regarding option 2 it is even more inconclusive: the proposal is not have a vote process at all?? It is not clear if we will vote or if the present members in all positions will remain till 2020.
Appreciate clearer information before vote.
*Vanda Scartezini*
*Polo Consultores Associados*
*Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004*
*01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil*
*Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253*
*Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 *
*Sorry for any typos. *
Dear All, Please see the table at http://bit.ly/2WqEJkV showing how the election process with the rotation principle will work for several years. Its been termed "Dev's proposal" but to me, this is what LACRALO's OP intended. However, now that Humberto has stated the overriding requirement in his proposal is to allow for the current chair and secretary to run again, see this proposal at http://bit.ly/2H6OoIv showing how the election process will work for several years with a transitional rule that for 2019 only, allow for the elections of the chair and secretary to be from the same region as the current chair and secretary. Dev Anand On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 11:22 AM Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Vanda,
I posted about this in the governance group in early April some time ago, I'll quote the relevant sections
Our operating principles specified the rotation principle agreed upon by all following the deliberations at Puerto Rico and subsequent meeting of the governance wg and then approved by all in LACRALO.
7.2.a – The region is divided into four (4) subregions comprising the following countries: A) Central America and Mexico: Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico and Panama. B) Andes: Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru and Venezuela. C) Caribbean: Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Cuba, Dominica, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, St. Lucia, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Suriname, and Trinidad and Tobago D) Mercosur: Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay.
We start the rotation using the definitions of the sub-regions in the OP and numbered sequentially. The rotation starts at the next sub region from the domicile of the incumbent Chair, Secretariat and ALAC.
This means for this year: - Chair nominations will be sought from region A (since the chair is from Region D) for a period of two years. - Chair elect nominations will be sought from region B excluding Chile (because of ALAC member) for a period of two years. - Secretary nominations will be sought from Region C (since Secretary Is from region B) excluding Trinidad and Tobago (because of Nomcom member) for a period of two years. - Secretary-elect nominations will be sought from Region D for a period of two years. - ALAC nominations will be from region D (as ALAC Member is from C) for a period of two years.
Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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