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I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons: - To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC. - Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être. The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order. Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation. Alan At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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I agree with Alan, and think that the details of Board member selection and so on are not particularly suited to a vision statement. However, the proposed statement is a little clumsy to my eyes, especially in the use of the singular verb forms to refer to the plural subject "ALAC AND the At-Large Community". With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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I agree - completely - with Jaqueline, and thank her for saying it rather more effectively than I would have been able to. Gordon On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 16:49 -0400, Jacqueline Morris wrote:
I agree with Alan, and think that the details of Board member selection and so on are not particularly suited to a vision statement. However, the proposed statement is a little clumsy to my eyes, especially in the use of the singular verb forms to refer to the plural subject "ALAC AND the At-Large Community".
With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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Vision= to see For the ALAC to build upon the experiences and views of the At-Large community and to catalyze and facilitate inclusive, meaningful participation of general Internet users world-wide, aggregate their inputs and bring their voices to bear on all ICANN matters. To see the ALAC build upon the experiences and views of the At-Large community and to catalyze and facilitate inclusive, meaningful participation of general Internet users world-wide, aggregate their inputs and bring their voices to bear on all ICANN matters. ROK -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Chillcott Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:03 PM To: Jacqueline Morris Cc: lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org ; LACRALO discussion list ; ICANN At-Large Staff ; Alan Greenberg ; alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org ; NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [NA-Discuss] REMINDER: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement - Deadline for Comments 17 May I agree - completely - with Jaqueline, and thank her for saying it rather more effectively than I would have been able to. Gordon On Thu, 2012-05-17 at 16:49 -0400, Jacqueline Morris wrote:
I agree with Alan, and think that the details of Board member selection and so on are not particularly suited to a vision statement. However, the proposed statement is a little clumsy to my eyes, especially in the use of the singular verb forms to refer to the plural subject "ALAC AND the At-Large Community".
With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community.
Agree.
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Y'all know I find these things gimmicky and IMHO, not worth a hill of gully beans. The Committee is wrong-headed on this. If you look at it, the bye-laws state the reason and care well enough already. We must encourage our colleagues to read some more, especially the foundation instruments. And these labels just don't cut it! All this aside, I cannot compete with Jacqueline's - cum Alan's - analysis. +1. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote:
I agree with Alan, and think that the details of Board member selection and so on are not particularly suited to a vision statement. However, the proposed statement is a little clumsy to my eyes, especially in the use of the singular verb forms to refer to the plural subject "ALAC AND the At-Large Community".
With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto: staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; 'lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org '; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
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+1 to Jacqueline's comments +2 to Carlton's meta-comments - Evan On 18 May 2012 10:32, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
Y'all know I find these things gimmicky and IMHO, not worth a hill of gully beans.
The Committee is wrong-headed on this. If you look at it, the bye-laws state the reason and care well enough already.
We must encourage our colleagues to read some more, especially the foundation instruments. And these labels just don't cut it!
All this aside, I cannot compete with Jacqueline's - cum Alan's - analysis.
+1. -Carlton
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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Jacqueline Morris < jam@jacquelinemorris.com
wrote:
I agree with Alan, and think that the details of Board member selection and so on are not particularly suited to a vision statement. However, the proposed statement is a little clumsy to my eyes, especially in the use of the singular verb forms to refer to the plural subject "ALAC AND the At-Large Community".
With regard to the fact that it is a vision statement of the At-Large, I don't see the need to expressly include the ALAC or RALOs at all, given that they are both integral parts of the Community.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
I'm afraid that although I have some problems with the proposed vision statement, I do not think that these changes go in the right direction. Two main reasons:
- To say that the At-Large Community (and not the upper case C as per the ICANN Bylaw definition) is there to strenghten the RALOs is a largely circular definition as the RALOs are a core integral part of the ALC.
- Listing that we exist to select a Board member sends a VERY wrong message in my mind. It is a perk of participating in the ICANN ecosystem, but is certainly not our raison d'être.
The issue of ALAC over At-Large can be addressed by simply reversing their order.
Regarding the original statement, I find "catalyzes" the perfect word here, from a point of view of meaning, but do question whether it will be as good in translation.
Alan
At 15/05/2012 09:39 PM, Cintra Sooknanan wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks for circulating this draft Vision Statement. I would have liked to see a clear plain language and easily translatable Vision. Phrases like "brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters" are just vague in my opinion. Vision Statements must have a mechanism of measurement as to whether they are being met or not and therefore must be precise.
Also I find it is inapt for the ALAC to be the first structure mentioned in an At Large Vision statement. Perhaps the intention is the mix the two? But I would advise against this route, and instead suggest providing a Vision Statement of ALAC separately.
My amended proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, tangible and meaningful participation of Internet end-users worldwide in ICANN matters, particularly through its work in strengthening the RALOs, its representation by the ALAC and its selection of the ICANN At-Large Board Member.
Kind regards
Cintra Sooknanan
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:12 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
Dear All,
A friendly reminder that the comment period for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement closes on Thursday, 17 May.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
* The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Please use the comments function on this <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> wiki page to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: <mailto: staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> staff@atlarge.icann.org
From: ICANN At-Large Staff [mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 2:10 PM To: alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org; 'afri-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org'; apralo; Discussion for At-Large Europe; LACRALO discussion list; ' lac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org '; NARALO Discussion List Cc: 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; 'Cheryl Langdon-Orr'; ICANN At-Large Staff Subject: COMMENTS REQUESTED: Proposed At-Large Vision Statement
Dear All,
The ALAC Improvements Review WG Final Report included a recommendation that "the ALAC should develop strategic and operational planning processes (including performance criteria and cost information) as part of ICANN's planning process." (Recommendation 5 <https://community.icann.org/display/Improve/Recommendation+5> ).
As part of the implementation of this recommendation, the At-Large Improvements Implementation Work Team C created an action item to "articulate ALAC's and At-Large's vision and mission."
The At-Large Improvements Taskforce developed a proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their meeting at the 43rd ICANN Meeting in Costa Rica.
The proposed At-Large Vision Statement is:
. The ALAC and At-Large community catalyzes and facilitates inclusive, meaningful participation of Internet end-users world-wide, aggregates their input and brings their voice to bear in all ICANN matters.
Olivier Crepin-Leblond, Chair of the ALAC, and Cheryl Langdon-Orr, Chair of the At-Large Improvements Taskforce, have outlined the following next steps for the proposed At-Large Vision Statement:
. 4-17 May 2012 - This proposed At-Large Vision statement is open for comments between 4-17 May 2012. Please use the comments function on this wiki page <https://community.icann.org/x/esPbAQ> to add any suggestions or send your comments to At-Large Staff at: staff@atlarge.icann.org.
. 21 May 2012 - The At-Large Improvements Taskforce will review and incorporate comments received during their 21 May meeting.
. 22 May 2012 - The ALAC will review the proposed At-Large Vision Statement during their 22 May ALAC meeting and vote whether to ratify it.
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine
ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC
E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org
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