[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS From: presidencia@internauta.org.ar Dear companions: We have long engaged in discusin whether we are two (2) or (1) region in the meeting in Costa Rica to discuss this again. Estclaro we are one (1) reginy confess I spent much of my time to take this discussion to ward doubts on the subject and to advance one direction: the discussion of the great issues of the Internet and commitment to defending the rights of users this multicultural region from Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems inappropriate to be discussing this when already buried habamos never to return msa be discussing this that gets us nothing. This topic leads undoubtedly to wear us in matters surface. At times it seems that he had not been to Costa Rica and not remember these debates ... Propose to overcome this bad idea and go for one of profundizacin relations in our region, we integrate more in our culture and our need to build positions that serve users internet of our reginy not pro-establishment within ICANN or its default the business lobby, as was what happened to him. patagonia, the . Amazon and. Cba. with a result that gives shame by the group trateste topic work. Best Regards * Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 * * "Ojalpodamos be disobedient, every time we receive orders that humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo Galeano * _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6b87ca0110.html --]]
it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS From: presidencia@internauta.org.ar
Dear companions: We have long engaged in discusin whether we are two (2) or (1) region in the meeting in Costa Rica to discuss this again. Estclaro we are one (1) reginy confess I spent much of my time to take this discussion to ward doubts on the subject and to advance one direction: the discussion of the great issues of the Internet and commitment to defending the rights of users this multicultural region from Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems inappropriate to be discussing this when already buried habamos never to return msa be discussing this that gets us nothing. This topic leads undoubtedly to wear us in matters surface. At times it seems that he had not been to Costa Rica and not remember these debates ... Propose to overcome this bad idea and go for one of profundizacin relations in our region, we integrate more in our culture and our need to build positions that serve users internet of our reginy not pro-establishment within ICANN or its default the business lobby, as was what happened to him. patagonia, the . Amazon and. Cba. with a result that gives shame by the group trateste topic work. Best Regards
* Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina
Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 *
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Dear Jacqueline: Totally Agree. Carlos Dionisio AguirreAbogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:14:44 -0400 From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS
it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS From: presidencia@internauta.org.ar
Dear companions: We have long engaged in discusin whether we are two (2) or (1) region in the meeting in Costa Rica to discuss this again. Estclaro we are one (1) reginy confess I spent much of my time to take this discussion to ward doubts on the subject and to advance one direction: the discussion of the great issues of the Internet and commitment to defending the rights of users this multicultural region from Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems inappropriate to be discussing this when already buried habamos never to return msa be discussing this that gets us nothing. This topic leads undoubtedly to wear us in matters surface. At times it seems that he had not been to Costa Rica and not remember these debates ... Propose to overcome this bad idea and go for one of profundizacin relations in our region, we integrate more in our culture and our need to build positions that serve users internet of our reginy not pro-establishment within ICANN or its default the business lobby, as was what happened to him. patagonia, the . Amazon and. Cba. with a result that gives shame by the group trateste topic work. Best Regards
* Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina
Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 *
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Agreed Lance Hinds Chief Executive The BrainStreet Group www.brainstreetgroup.com Sent from meh iPad eh.... On Mar 18, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> wrote:
it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS From: presidencia@internauta.org.ar
Dear companions: We have long engaged in discusin whether we are two (2) or (1) region in the meeting in Costa Rica to discuss this again. Estclaro we are one (1) reginy confess I spent much of my time to take this discussion to ward doubts on the subject and to advance one direction: the discussion of the great issues of the Internet and commitment to defending the rights of users this multicultural region from Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems inappropriate to be discussing this when already buried habamos never to return msa be discussing this that gets us nothing. This topic leads undoubtedly to wear us in matters surface. At times it seems that he had not been to Costa Rica and not remember these debates ... Propose to overcome this bad idea and go for one of profundizacin relations in our region, we integrate more in our culture and our need to build positions that serve users internet of our reginy not pro-establishment within ICANN or its default the business lobby, as was what happened to him. patagonia, the . Amazon and. Cba. with a result that gives shame by the group trateste topic work. Best Regards
* Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina
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+1. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
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it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Subject: RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS From: presidencia@internauta.org.ar
Dear companions: We have long engaged in discusin whether we are two (2) or (1) region in the meeting in Costa Rica to discuss this again. Estclaro we are one (1) reginy confess I spent much of my time to take this discussion to ward doubts on the subject and to
advance
one direction: the discussion of the great issues of the Internet and commitment to defending the rights of users this multicultural region from Latin America and the Caribbean. It seems inappropriate to be discussing this when already buried habamos never to return msa be discussing this that gets us nothing. This topic leads undoubtedly to wear us in matters surface. At times it seems that he had not been to Costa Rica and not remember these debates ... Propose to overcome this bad idea and go for one of profundizacin relations in our region, we integrate more in our culture and our need to build positions that serve users internet of our reginy not pro-establishment within ICANN or its default the business lobby, as was what happened to him. patagonia, the . Amazon and. Cba. with a result that gives shame by the group trateste topic work. Best Regards
* Sergio Salinas Porto Argentina President Internauta Argentina Association of Internet Users <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://www.ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Latin American Federation of Internet Users <http://www.fuilain.org/> facebook: salinasporto twitter: sergiosalinas MSN / YAHOO MSN / Talk: salinasporto ... Skype: internautaargentina
Mobi: +54 215 819 9223 5 *
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It is quite frankly counterproductive to continue this conversation about "2 sub regions". As Jacqueline says it is nothing more a distraction. We are going to have to work with each other and respect each other interests. Let us take advantage of the diversity that we have and the skills that each of us brings to the table. Someone spoke during the call about AFRALO. I have no doubt that they have internal issues as well, but certainly on the face of it they seem to work despite many the languages and cultural differences that they might have in that RALO. We can and should do much better. I think sometimes we forget who and what we are doing here. My next two cents On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
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it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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I quite agree that the conversation is counter productive. Striking workers are counterproductive too and are meant to be, for the sake of impressing upon capital, the plight of the workers. We have given quality for too long, accommodating for too long and yet treated as though we are second class based upon an archaic or even fictional definition of democracy. It is like, democracy is about the rule of the majority, we are the majority and we really don't want to hear from the scraps. Under these conditions, there will always be talk of two regions because one set of people will not sit and be dominated by another. Unless the Caribbean totally gives in to LA, there will always be talk of two regions and there will always be that distance between the two. My experience with the OAS and now this convinces me that LAC should never be. I am watching how the Caribbean is giving in slowly but surely. Elections makes no sense for the Caribbean as we have been totally disenfranchised and all attempts to make the system more fair and just are opposed by LA. Anybody from the Caribbean running as Chairman? You think Lance will win this election for Secretary? Waste of time. How can LA claim to represent the Caribbean when they are suppressing the Caribbean? Makes no sense to me and if OAS is anything to go by, participation from the Caribbean will dwindle in LACRALO and that will suit LA just fine. ROK -----Original Message----- From: Lance Hinds Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:11 PM To: Jacqueline Morris Cc: LACRALO discussion list Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] RES: LACRALO ELECTIONS It is quite frankly counterproductive to continue this conversation about "2 sub regions". As Jacqueline says it is nothing more a distraction. We are going to have to work with each other and respect each other interests. Let us take advantage of the diversity that we have and the skills that each of us brings to the table. Someone spoke during the call about AFRALO. I have no doubt that they have internal issues as well, but certainly on the face of it they seem to work despite many the languages and cultural differences that they might have in that RALO. We can and should do much better. I think sometimes we forget who and what we are doing here. My next two cents On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com
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it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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Roosevelt: Some facts are not to be successfully contradicted, brotherman. It is undeniable that we have several cases where groupings of the Caribbean and Latin America have resulted in Caribbean marginalisation. You named one. I could name others. But as with every other known fact, there are exceptions. And the exception has always been as a result of leadership. Take Hugo - may he RIP - and the Bolivarian Alternative as one example. It would have never worked without Chavez and his deep and fervent understanding that we have common problems for which there might be shared solutions. It was never about being anti-American as the mainstream media made it. He wasn't a stupid man. When we raised LACRALO at Buenos Aires, it was with the hope that an organisation dedicated to Internet governance would be different. This was the principal reason for requiring decision-making by consensus. We lost our way. But for awhile now, I have sensed that we might be in the beginning of a certain maturity of vision. I am hopeful that this will flower, given a chance. Don't believe LACRALO is alone with tensions. The difference is for other RALOs, they have managed to contain and keep them manageable. So far. I cannot see what you see; abandonment of Caribbean interests. What we see is another opportunity and another attempt to engage in advancing our common interests. Let's give it a try. -Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Webmaster <rok@bango.org.bb> wrote:
I quite agree that the conversation is counter productive. Striking workers are counterproductive too and are meant to be, for the sake of impressing upon capital, the plight of the workers. We have given quality for too long, accommodating for too long and yet treated as though we are second class based upon an archaic or even fictional definition of democracy. It is like, democracy is about the rule of the majority, we are the majority and we really don't want to hear from the scraps.
Under these conditions, there will always be talk of two regions because one set of people will not sit and be dominated by another. Unless the Caribbean totally gives in to LA, there will always be talk of two regions and there will always be that distance between the two. My experience with the OAS and now this convinces me that LAC should never be.
I am watching how the Caribbean is giving in slowly but surely. Elections makes no sense for the Caribbean as we have been totally disenfranchised and all attempts to make the system more fair and just are opposed by LA. Anybody from the Caribbean running as Chairman? You think Lance will win this election for Secretary? Waste of time. How can LA claim to represent the Caribbean when they are suppressing the Caribbean? Makes no sense to me and if OAS is anything to go by, participation from the Caribbean will dwindle in LACRALO and that will suit LA just fine.
ROK
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It is quite frankly counterproductive to continue this conversation about "2 sub regions". As Jacqueline says it is nothing more a distraction. We are going to have to work with each other and respect each other interests. Let us take advantage of the diversity that we have and the skills that each of us brings to the table. Someone spoke during the call about AFRALO. I have no doubt that they have internal issues as well, but certainly on the face of it they seem to work despite many the languages and cultural differences that they might have in that RALO. We can and should do much better. I think sometimes we forget who and what we are doing here.
My next two cents
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Jacqueline Morris < jam@jacquelinemorris.com
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it is clear that the region is LAC. I believe the issue is one of the balance of majority and minority interests in a democratic institution. To me, the focus on 2 regions is a distraction from the real issue as identified here. On Mar 18, 2013 12:18 PM, <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> wrote:
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