[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com Dear Alexander: Moan the these spills by you in your previous mail, so that I really respect to you deeply. But, I have been able toappreciate, after to have leido several times the mail that you sent: or that nothing you understood, or that when doing the commentary carecias of some substantial information. That is for my, at least, intranquilizador. I say to this so that a person of your carats and with the trajectory that your you have, puede/debe not to miss the concept of the way in which you did it. Evidently your nonparticipation in the teleconferencings of the Region, nor in the long meetings that we have maintained of actual way(Andres, Sergio, Sylvia, Arch, Dev, Antonio, Carlton, Fatima and I) inI complete ICANN meeting, can haberte lead to commit size error. Ademas icluyes to people whom nothing they have to do in this; for example: you mention to Carlos Side that has not participated either in the mentioned meetings (neither teleconferencings, nor actual), ademas of it, and to top it all you incorporate the name of Olga whichbut alla to be in the WG of Geograficas Regions by the GNSO (Like Carlton Samuels, that concur by ALAC), does not have either been in these discuciones of the region and ademas not this in the list of post office LACRALO, reason why I do not understand the mention that beams of its name. Of all ways, (and not to extend in to me that when you review us to it daras the reason), I believe in the diversity of opinions, and if outside the case that! pensaramos different (thing that is not asi, and alli are your error) either serious questionable ours to seem, single serious one opinion different. The error is pardoned to you, but serious good you acabadamente take the necessary collections for informarte before raising something thatstops others podria to seem offensive and thoughtless. We come for a long time trying to generate and to consolidate "a" region LAC and although it is certain that there are that tries the division, those we are not we (Sergio, Andres, Javier and that writes), neither by action nor default surely. I want that this is left for your tranquillity and the one of the people of the capitulos of ISOC well clear that you have mentioned affectionate greeting of which it considers to you. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN to former ALAC to member by LACRALO Lawyer - Specialistic in Right of the Businesses Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org Date: The Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:13:55 +0000 From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] Geograficas Regions [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members of LACRALO that they reside in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of these participation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside place your commentary, Sergio, in whom you are surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yes he is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to us what so deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed as a problem of the community and as a leadership fault from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there isa situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it as a collective fault of community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no they take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns concrete the effects of the principles that it discusses. It is possible to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like member of the GNSO Council and surely will be able to clarify much of which LACRALO needs to understand better and will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it has serious effects. Those effects are so serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by a massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by a weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one active participation in the group of small states insulares, that it reflects conditions of his countries that are more determining of their reality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you are forced at least a to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will so that the Thin ones of the continent we workin assembly with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin a to work on a split base. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, a split will be a lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of a split of this nature is ample. We would be adding us to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created region, and a THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and a part of The Middle East, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions at which the following one had to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or a change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve so that Sergio and who it can summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debate and to decide soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty Subject: Re: Geograficas Regions From: apisan@servidor.unam.mx Sergio, Carlos, Andrés, it seems to me that the communication emitted by the members ofLACRALO that they resides in the Caribbean denies the complacencia of theseparticipation of You and the one of Javier Pallero. It seems to me outside pleases your commentary, Sergio, in whom you plows surprised of that the ALS of the Caribbean did not discuss in this list. Yeshe is correct to ask which adhere to the communication, but also is necessary to ask to U.S. what under deep is the problem. The problem must be analyzed ace to problem of the community and ace to leadershipfault from the previous administration. We cannot deny that there isa situation of exclusion, and we cannot assume it ace to collective fault of community only, if our elect representatives and civil employees no they take care of it of dedicated way. The communication of the Caribbean is aligned with the one of Carlos Side and returns effects makes specific the of the principles that it discusses. Possible It is to mention that Olga Cavalli participated in the processing of the report in comment like to member of the GNSO able Council and surely will be to clarify much of which LACRALO needs to understand to better and will be able to transmit what we need to transmit. And in addition, that communication sample that the application of those principles it there are serious effects. Those effects plows under serious that theycan take to LACRALO division, well by to massive affiliation of the membersof The Caribbean to NARLAO, or by to weakening or disappearance ofhis participation in LACRALO, that is of regional base, changing it by one group activates participation in the of small states insulares, that it reflects conditions of his countries that plows dwells determining of to their reality in subjects of Internet that its location. Sergio, what you propose? By the position to that you were elect, I believe that you plows forced AT least to to initiate an intensive process of consultations. That process of private and public consultations must show if thereare mechanisms and sufficient will under that the Thin ones of the continent we workin assembly with those of the Caribbean or if, by the opposite, it is necessary to begin a to work on to split bases. And that is due to reflect in which LACRALO thinks on the ICANN report referring to the definition of geographic regions. In my vision, to split will be to lamentable result. SECOND POINT. The impact of to split of this nature is ample. We would be adding U.S. to the reasons and precedents that would give foundation that others regions also were divided and to that organizations like one were created region, and to THIN one, for, what will be, North Africa and to part of The Middle East, Western Asia? Although the report in comment does not to enter these discussions, the Caribbean it is advancing to the conclusions AT which the following onehad to arrive analysis round. The cuestionamiento of the Caribbean is serious, I repeat it. And therefore she is one hard call of attention to LACRALO, beyond the preservation of statu quo in our own region or to change in the same one. Hopefully these lines serve under that Sergio and who it dog summon - INCLUDING COLLEAGUES Of the CARIBBEAN - they make an exposition new who we pruned to debates and to decides soon. Warm greetings. Alexander Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr Alexander Pisanty UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Ã'106C0C8614 * They see ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org * It participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, presidency Argentina Internaut wrote: > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:43:05 -0300 > From: presidency Argentina Internaut <presidencia@internauta.org.ar> > To: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-is ] Geograficas Regions > > Welcome Javier! > for Thanks your contribution and commentaries. Such they plows considered. * > * warm Greetings > > * Sergio Saline I carry President Internaut Argentina Asociación Argentina > of Users of Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>FLUI- Federación > Latin American of Users of Internet > <http://www.fuilain.org>facebook:salinasporto twitter:sergiosalinas MSN/MSN > YAHOO/Talk: salinasporto... Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5215819 > * > > > the 28/01/2011 04:33 p.m., j.karmakiller@gmail.com escribió: > > Dear friends of the list of Mail: > > > > > > is the first Time that I participate! I t! ake advantage of to send my greetings to all. > > My name is Javier Pallero, of Ageia Densi Argentina > > > > > &g! t; With respect to the document on geogr?ficas regions, is myhumble opinion > > that the criterion that had to be used (but alla to look for to legitimation > > in the international you use of the or to other organisms) isthe one of > > communicational practicidad within organizacion. > > > > > > immense Because ICANN is an structure, with interactions between > > to diver itself you discipline of work, organizations, governments, etc > > nomenclature on Geograficas Regions deberia to be an own one and that > > facilitates the uses andunderstanding on the part of mayoria of the subjects > > involved in ICANN. > > > > > > the present one, for example, condice with the effective distribution of the RIRs. > > Habria that to stand out ace is the present uses that the actors of ICANN in his > > to diver activities makes and to unify for that side. > > > > > > the words is ! noises, and the classifications, categorias > > commu! nicational. That she is what but people uses and she contribute! s to uni fy > > criteria within organizacion, is what preferir?a. > > > > > > Greetings! > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________ Javier PalleroDerecho and Society > > of Informaci?n - AGEIA DENSI > > > > http://linkedin.com/javierpallero > > http://javierpallero.tumblr.com > > > > sent from * > > * > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > _______________________________________________ [ [ - - Original text (he is) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1454âa213.html --]] _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/d52045abef.html --]]