VOTE ANNOUNCEMENT: LACRALO Vote on Motion Proposed by Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO sobre la Mocion propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
== EN == Dear All, Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty¹s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty: a. LACRALO¹s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations. * Yes * No * Abstain == ES == Hola a todos, ¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty? a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN *Si *No *Abstención Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly. THIS WAS NOT DONE. Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. Kind Regards, Dev Anand On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations.
* Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear Dev, Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period. In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the wiki. Regards El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations. * Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear all If it was proposed on July 20th in the meeting, why was it only posted to the list as a motion over a week later? Some of us work and cannot attend the meetings at the proposed time. The list acts as the virtual GA. I'd like to request a hold on the poll for the 2 weeks per rule 11.2 so that all of us have the requisite 2 weeks to consider the motion, and any points of order thereof. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dev,
Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period.
In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the wiki.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations.
* Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear Jacqueline, Alberto and I discussed your proposal and we believe this is a good solution for the problem that we face now. I believe Alejandro Pisanty does not have any problem with this. We are going to hold the poll for the 2 weeks. Regards El 29/07/2015 a las 08:48 p.m., Jacqueline Morris escribió:
Dear all If it was proposed on July 20th in the meeting, why was it only posted to the list as a motion over a week later? Some of us work and cannot attend the meetings at the proposed time. The list acts as the virtual GA. I'd like to request a hold on the poll for the 2 weeks per rule 11.2 so that all of us have the requisite 2 weeks to consider the motion, and any points of order thereof. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com <mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Dev,
Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period.
In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the wiki.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations. * Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Thank you Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline, Alberto and I discussed your proposal and we believe this is a good solution for the problem that we face now. I believe Alejandro Pisanty does not have any problem with this. We are going to hold the poll for the 2 weeks. Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 08:48 p.m., Jacqueline Morris escribió:
Dear all If it was proposed on July 20th in the meeting, why was it only posted to the list as a motion over a week later? Some of us work and cannot attend the meetings at the proposed time. The list acts as the virtual GA. I'd like to request a hold on the poll for the 2 weeks per rule 11.2 so that all of us have the requisite 2 weeks to consider the motion, and any points of order thereof. Sincerely Jacqueline Morris
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dev,
Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period.
In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the wiki.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations.
* Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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I'm confused. What "exceptional power"? From all our documentation and rules, the only power is the GA, which is the list when we are virtual, or the members in the room when we are f2f. These terms are quite frightening to me as it seems that there are situations in which the constitution of the LACRALO can be overridden or put aside by a group without the input of all members. I hope this is not so. Jacqueline Morris Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dev,
Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period.
In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the wiki.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations.
* Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Dear DEv, The motion is on the Wiki now: https://community.icann.org/x/LotCAw. It was placed under ‘LACRALO Policy Input.’ Regards El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribió:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff <staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations. * Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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With respect Dev, commenting on the motion now would be the wrong thing to do. The call for the vote is what the law would judge as 'ultra vires'. That is to say the Secretariat offends the rules in bringing this motion to the vote since it is beyond his legal authority. If the vote is not stopped, we are well advised to ignore it. And the motion remains a stranger until it is exposed to debate. Other remedies are also open to those aggrieved. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* ============================= On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:56 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat.
As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the Assembly.
THIS WAS NOT DONE.
Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest.
Kind Regards,
Dev Anand
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < staff@atlarge.icann.org> wrote:
== EN ==
Dear All,
Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisanty’s motion? Formal Motion from Alejandro Pisanty:
a. LACRALO’s Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues for discussion. b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate of current ICANN public consultations.
* Yes * No * Abstain
== ES ==
Hola a todos,
¿Usted apoya la moción de Alejandro Pisanty?
a. que la Presidencia y la Secretaría hagan una agenda de temas de políticas para su discusión b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesión mensual se dediquen a temas sustantivos de debate de políticas en curso en consultas públicas de ICANN
*Si *No *Abstención
Regards,
Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff@atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>
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Jacqueline Morris