Re: [lac-discuss-en] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
Carlton, voy a aceptar por última vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo será materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en español. El conflicto de interés de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial propia. El conflicto reside en su representación de negocios a través de la Cámara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios. Jacqueline, la expresión de interés fue modificada y ampliada después de empezar la elección. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com
Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra.
Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.
Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO.
Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc.
El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown.
Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.
Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro.
-Carlton
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El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
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I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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May I ask that parties do address the issues. I think there are some strong views, but there is a poll in progress, and perhaps waiting for this to be completed may be the best course at present. If the issues are discussed then we can abandon the stronger language used. If anyone does want to reach out to me please do so however. Regards Sent from my iPad On 24/07/2015, at 9:54 am, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com>> wrote: Carlton, voy a aceptar por última vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo será materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en español. El conflicto de interés de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial propia. El conflicto reside en su representación de negocios a través de la Cámara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios. Jacqueline, la expresión de interés fue modificada y ampliada después de empezar la elección. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra. Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO. Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown. Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx<mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Estimados, las discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron hace tiempo en LACRALO. Eso fue porque cuando alguien la iniciaba, no se contestaba o se contestaba educadamente. Alejandro, gracias por hacerlo así. Jose Ovidio, el tema de participación no está siendo tratado aquí, porque aún no tenemos métricas. Esperemos solucionar esto pronto. Jackeline, el proceso eleccionario aún no terminó. Ahora quiero recordarles que el año pasado fuimos Humberto y yo, únicos postulantes. Debimos hacer votación y aceptar el resultado. Hubo quienes votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y otros votaron por el si. El otro caso particular fue el de Natalia Enciso, única postulante para ALAC Member. Y fue el caso que tomamos como antecedente. El caso que citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no tenemos que realizar elección para ese cargo. Hicimos una reunión previa con el Staff y luego de tomada la decisión Lance fue avisado que se haría la votación, tomando como antecedente el caso de Natalia. El proceso está en curso y finalizará con la votación. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto De: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Alejandro Pisanty Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 06:53 p.m. Para: LACRALO CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Albert Daniels Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff Carlton, voy a aceptar por última vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo será materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en español. El conflicto de interés de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial propia. El conflicto reside en su representación de negocios a través de la Cámara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios. Jacqueline, la expresión de interés fue modificada y ampliada después de empezar la elección. Alejandro Pisanty On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > wrote: [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra. Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO. Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown. Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> ] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> ] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Gracias Alberto Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Chapter skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 (New Phone number!!!!) ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Alberto Soto <asoto@ibero-americano.org> wrote:
Estimados, las discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron hace tiempo en LACRALO. Eso fue porque cuando alguien la iniciaba, no se contestaba o se contestaba educadamente.
Alejandro, gracias por hacerlo así.
Jose Ovidio, el tema de participación no está siendo tratado aquí, porque aún no tenemos métricas. Esperemos solucionar esto pronto.
Jackeline, el proceso eleccionario aún no terminó.
Ahora quiero recordarles que el año pasado fuimos Humberto y yo, únicos postulantes. Debimos hacer votación y aceptar el resultado. Hubo quienes votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y otros votaron por el si.
El otro caso particular fue el de Natalia Enciso, única postulante para ALAC Member. Y fue el caso que tomamos como antecedente.
El caso que citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no tenemos que realizar elección para ese cargo.
Hicimos una reunión previa con el Staff y luego de tomada la decisión Lance fue avisado que se haría la votación, tomando como antecedente el caso de Natalia.
El proceso está en curso y finalizará con la votación.
Saludos cordiales
Alberto Soto
*De:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alejandro Pisanty *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 06:53 p.m. *Para:* LACRALO *CC:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Albert Daniels *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
Carlton,
voy a aceptar por última vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo será materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en español.
El conflicto de interés de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial propia. El conflicto reside en su representación de negocios a través de la Cámara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios.
Jacqueline, la expresión de interés fue modificada y ampliada después de empezar la elección.
Alejandro Pisanty
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote:
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com
Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra.
Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.
Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO.
Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc.
El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown.
Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.
Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro.
-Carlton
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El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
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I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
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Chris LaHatte