Re: [lac-discuss-en] ? = Q = windows-1252 5Blac-discuss-en = 5D_ = BFEs_ = E9s = q = windows-1252 te_Tiresome_ = 27irregularidad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =?????

July 23, 2015

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 Subject: Re:? = Q = windows-1252 5Blac-discuss-en = 5D_ = BFEs_ = E9s = q = windows-1252 te_Tiresome_ = 27irregularidad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =????? 
 From: hcarrascob@gmail.com

 Dear, 

 I want to touch two points in this post: 

 1. The ability to call Silvia Voting respect to Herlein 
 Nom-Com discuss it with Alberto, but came to the conclusion that no 
 we can do nothing, because it is not decision of us. For Lance 
 ALAC member for if we decide us. 

 2. That confirmed that we had meeting with the staff, after that 
 Lance telefnicamente called to tell us to call 
 Voting in the preceding basndonos Natalia. In addition we ask 
 prepare it for presentation to the community at the monthly meeting. 

 Cheers 

 On 07/24/2015 at 12:03 am, Alberto Soto wrote:
...
Estimados, las discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron 
hace tiempo en LACRALO. Eso fue porque cuando alguien la iniciaba,  no 
se contestaba o se contestaba educadamente.
Alejandro, gracias por hacerlo así.
Jose Ovidio, el tema de participación no está siendo tratado aquí, 
porque aún no tenemos métricas. Esperemos solucionar esto pronto.
Jackeline, el proceso eleccionario aún no terminó.
Ahora quiero recordarles que el año pasado fuimos Humberto y  yo, 
únicos postulantes. Debimos hacer votación y aceptar el resultado. 
Hubo quienes votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y otros votaron por el si.
El otro caso particular fue el de Natalia Enciso, única postulante 
para ALAC Member. Y fue el caso que tomamos como antecedente.
El caso que citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no tenemos 
que realizar elección para ese cargo.
Hicimos una reunión previa con el Staff y  luego de tomada la decisión 
Lance fue avisado que se haría la votación, tomando como antecedente 
el caso de Natalia.
El proceso está en curso y finalizará con la votación.
Saludos cordiales
Alberto Soto
*De:*lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org 
[mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de 
*Alejandro Pisanty
*Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 06:53 p.m.
*Para:* LACRALO
*CC:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; Albert Daniels
*Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' 
Contra Large At-Staff
Carlton,
voy a aceptar por última vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente 
mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo será materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. 
Tu vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en español.
El conflicto de interés de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial 
propia. El conflicto reside en su representación de negocios a través 
de la Cámara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural 
con los usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios.
Jacqueline, la expresión de interés fue modificada y ampliada después 
de empezar la elección.
Alejandro Pisanty
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com 
<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote:
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
     De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>
Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y
     no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico
    [Inglés] de la palabra.
Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.
Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de
    entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con
     At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente
     y su representante para LACRALO.
Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo
    de las TIC
     servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital.
    DevNet
     thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense
    en Devnet como la versión de Guyana
     Internauta usarios etc etc.
El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown
    en virtud de su
     propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él
    deriva su
     ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no
    consigue
     pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown.
Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el
    Caribe
     tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad.
    decir eso
     Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan
    los intereses del usuario final cuando
     él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha
    conectado a la ICANN
     sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.
Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son
    voluntarios para una cosa
     u otro.
-Carlton
==============================
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     Móvil: 876-818-1799
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El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro
    Pisanty Baruch <
    apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> escribió:
>  Carlton,
    >
    >
    >  The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
    conflict
    > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the
    election
    > was in course.
    >
    >  Simple. No rhetoric needed.
    >
    >  Alejandro Pisanty
    >
    >
    >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
    > Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM
    > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
    >
    >
    >
    > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
    >
    > +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475
    > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
    > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
    > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
    > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
    > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
    > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
    > .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
    >   ------------------------------
    > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
    <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [
    > lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
    <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre
    de Carlton
    > Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com
    <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>]
    > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
    > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
    <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
    > *CC:* Albert Daniels
    > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim
    Against
    > At-Large Staff
    >
    >    I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with
    LACRALO is
    > debilitating.
    >
    >  I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old -
    so cannot
    > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do
    what I must
    > by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
    >
    >  But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish -
    is just
    > too much and I must break my silence.
    >
    >  In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by
    bullshit:
    >
    >   Definitions of bullshit
    >   noun
    >  stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
    >  verb
    >  talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or
    deceptive.
    >
    >
    >     âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by
    At-Large
    > staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
    >
    >  Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
    > repeat it here for effect.
    >
    >  In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are
    established and
    > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate
    satisfying all
    > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly
    [s]elected. â
    >
    >  But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the
    process
    > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
    >
    >  We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
    > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire
    [s]election
    > process into question.
    >
    >  So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time
    to come
    > along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll -
    notice it is a
    > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with
    that in the
    > first place!
    >
    >  As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the
    same for
    > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
    >
    >  Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and
    tiresome after
    > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real
    risk of
    > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
    >
    >  Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a
    good
    > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
    >
    >  In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
    > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was
    nominated
    > unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just
    only for
    > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that
    a single
    > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
    > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in
    very
    > important ICANN councils.
    >
    >  I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations
    to muddy
    > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline
    Morris being
    > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing
    to do then.
    >
    >  With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took
    place.  And
    > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they
    did for Lance
    > Hinds.
    >
    >  It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
    > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the
    first place.
    >
    >  Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from
    our now
    > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
    'impropriety'
    > raised!
    >
    >  So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either
    assume the
    > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking,
    even asleep
    > at the switch.
    >
    >  Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
    > operating conditions are applied.
    >
    >  Go figure.
    >
    >  -Carlton Samuels
    >
    >  ==============================
    >  Carlton A Samuels
    > Mobile: 876-818-1799
    > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
    > =============================
    >
    >>
    >>
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