[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: effective mechanisms of participation From: cveraq@gmail.com Very briefly, I am going to divide in two parts which I consider aspects fundamental to work 1. The development in if of a PDP:Veo that the work of the in charge group in the GNSO is going to give important results and in Cartagena itis due to contribute for this profit and later to enter completely the discussion then without a doubt is to traves of politicas that exerts the greater influence of theIcann. Unfortunately estare in Chile until 6 of December developing one consultoria for digital Sela www.sela.org on economia and windows electronicas unicas of foreign trade, which impedira to attendto me reunion anticipated, although I hope to arrive the 7 if everything goes well, but my recommendations in case it is possible to be worked on them include: 1.1 Although it is certain that Icann cannot initiate a PDP without the due one process, must exist greater knowledge on the decision making respect if the conditions exist, and as is (they were) these, stops to initiate a PDP. This not this very clear in the present norms. 1.2 It must settle down with the greater possible precision the types and ambitos of the politicas that Icann must work, to risk of having on load of proposals that took to processes of priorizacion that not always they showed in favor of groups with less capacity of influencelike by example the users. 2. The implementation of the politica: Once a PDP culminates, the work in order to implement the resulting politica it turns out to me vital. For example now same subjects as IDN or DNSSEC demand an important work for his general implementation. It is important that the staff of Icann dedicated to these subjects makes pursuit on the implementation to realimentar the PDP and to suggest actions in the line of efectivizar the application of its entregables. Carlos The 16 of November of 2010 14:39, Alexander Pisanty <apisan@servidor.unam.mx > wrote:

Carlos, > > which is the specific preoccupation on the PDP for Cartagena? > > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >. > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Carlos Side wrote: > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:18:24 -0500 > > > > From: Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> > > To: Alexander Pisanty <apisan@servidor.unam.mx> > > Cc: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com>, > > > > LAC DISCUSS <lac-dis! cuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > > "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" <lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] effective mechanisms of participation > > > > Alx, the PDP always seems to me the part to medular to treat and in which > > we must work. > > > > Carlos > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 13:33, Alexander Pisanty < > > apisan@servidor.unam.mx > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Carlos (Side), > > > > > > and in that same tonic, which is the subject ICANN noun that more you > > > worries that we have well discussed for the meeting of Cartagena? > > > > > > Alexander Pisanty > > > > > > > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > >. > > > Dr Alexander Pisanty > > > UNAM, Av. University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > &g! t; > > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com ! > & gt; * LinkedIn procases out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > > * Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > > > > > * Sees ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org.mx, ISOC http://www.isoc.org > > > * Participates in ICANN, http://www.icann.org > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > >. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Carlos Side wrote: > > > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:41:42 -0500 > > > > > > > From: Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> > > > > To: Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero@gmail.com> > > > > Cc: LAC DISCUSS <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, > > > > "Spanish [ ISO-8859-1 ] LACRALO" < > > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] e! ffective mechanisms ofparticipation > > > > > > > > > > > > Then already we are participating and the best form to do it is no > > > > to adjetivizar > > > > the opinions of others. If somebody wants to support with ideas to motivate > > > > > > > > participation we can begin to organize to us. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > the 16 of November of 2010 12:27, Fatima Cambronero < > > > > fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > >>>>> >>>>> I answer to You between lines. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> the 16 of November of 2010 13:51, Carlos Side <cveraq@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Fatima, your reflections seem important to me aqui my commentaries >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 1. We are not! speaking of spaces to participate but ofmotivation >>>&! gt;>& gt; stops >>>>>> to do it. Two totally different things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In agreement with which to the space we have it. Now, as far as >>>>> motivation, >>>>> wanted Carlos, is like in the same life. I study, work,bathe, >>>>> me >>>>> food, because I have in same me, the motivations to do it. No >>>>> because the people who live with me it are remembering all >>>>> time >>>>> and insisting so that it does it. Here he is equal. Themotivations stop >>>>> to participate, must arise from each one from us, not because >>>>> other members or representatives of LACRALO are insisting or >>>>> remembering >>>>> that we must participate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2. I participate from the 96 in the international subjects of I! nternet and >>>>>> from first reunion pre Icann. Comparti many spaces yet >>>>>> >>>>>> world and anywhere in the world on these subjects, butfor a time, >>>>>> like >>>>>> many, nonencounter greater reasons for summits and others >>>>>> spaces, >>>>>> and >>>>>> I think that new motivations are required to continue participating and >>>>>> is in >>>>>> what I set out to work then all when we contributed wewant to see >>>>>> translated our efforts in realities. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> enchants to Me that you have all the trajectory that tenés. That affluent speech of >>>>> vos. >>>>> Although remembering the saying "the important thing is not to arrive, but >>>>> to stay " >>>>> (or >>>>> some! thing similar), and having the capacities that tenés, you wou! ld have to find >>>>> vos >>>>> same the motivations to continue participating and to obtain >>>>> results. >>>>> I >>>>> I have all the certainty that podés to make it and even obtain that more people >>>>> >>>>> adds/sinks to the participation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. I believe that to develop politicas to promote (to moticar) >>>>> >>>>>> participation >>>>>> always is important. A brief one watched to the interchange of emails of >>>>>> this >>>>>> same list shows it, when the subject of the little oneis permanent >>>>>> participation and the surprise when it is participatedin moments of >>>>>> decisions and >>>>>> has not before been made it by any cause. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> seems to Me that you are no! t reading my previous mail completely. You >>>>> I am >>>>> commenting the mechanisms to participate. I am telling the Groups you >>>>> of >>>>> Work and invitándote to that you add yourself/sink. Tothat you arm a Group even stops >>>>> to foment the participation. >>>>> Your words sound to complaints and I do not read that you commityourself concretely >>>>> with >>>>> none of these mechanisms to participate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. I propose: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 4,1 Hacer a rise of the information that we have respect to >>>>>> >>>>>> participation in the diverse spaces to initiate the work of >>>>>> to analyze >>>>>> the causes of (I suppose) the little participation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Existe algun way simple to find ! this information asi is not a >>>>>> level >>! ;>> ;>> personal at indicative level by I number of participants by session, >>>>>> event, >>>>>> etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> 4,2 Conducir a mini survey to clarify to us so that the members >>>>>> participates and so that they do not make it or they let do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4,3 Establecer mechanisms of compartment of information to assume >>>>>> commitments of responsible participation. Not always all we can >>>>>> to participate nor in all the events, sesionres, conferences, etc. >>>>>> Then >>>>>> of algun way we can share information and experiences that motivate >>>>>> a >>>>>> others to continue participating. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To all these things that proponés, podés to make vossame. In >>>>> file >>>>> of the l! ists, in the Web of ICANN, AT-Large, in wikis, tenés >>>>> everything >>>>> >>>>> information available like beginning to work. Podés toinvite a >>>>> people >>>>> that helps you to do it and that is added in this proposal. To even request >>>>> >>>>> which you do not find the Staff, they are for collaborating with us. Me >>>>> only seems that while we do not assume each one concrete commitments, and >>>>> him >>>>> we throw the responsibility to others, we are going to follow with the same level >>>>> of >>>>> participation and motivation. >>>>> >>>>> I understood that if something I did not like, she could express to me. Although he was >>>>> better >>>>> if >>>>> put to me to work to modify it. That I am doing since they do >>>>> others >>>>> me! mbers. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >! >> >> Creo reason why I see, that the subject of the participation is I criticize position >>>>>> that >>>>>> single two people attend one reunion important calls >>>>>> attention.... Then >>>>>> is not the space to participate the one that makes lack but >>>>>> motivation to do it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> and vos why you did not attend nor formás part of the WG? The invitation is >>>>> made. This Thursday there is a TC on the Baylaws beforethe TC >>>>> monthly. >>>>> You sumás to both? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If few members do not participate they have a problem. If >>>>>> many >>>>>> or >>>>>> mayoria does not participate all we have a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Comencemos to revert it then.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My five cents. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Carlos Side >>>>>> >>>>! ;>> >>>>>> >>>>> Greetings, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fatima Cambronero >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> the 16 of November of 2010 11:22, Fatima Cambronero < >>>>>> fatimacambronero@gmail.com > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Carlos, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like comentarte that the mechanism of participation anticipated in >>>>>>> LACRALO so that he is effective, implies to participate in >>>>>>> teleconferencings >>>>>>> monthly, in the lists of discussion, the different Groups from >>>>>>> Work and >>>>>>> obvious in the votings. >>>>>>> If vos for two years not participás of a teleconferencing, you >>>>>>> you are >>>! ;>>>> losing the Agenda in which we are working, c! onsensus es a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> we are arriving, the instructions that we are giving,the Groups of >>>>>>> Work >>>>>>> that is armed, the result to which it is arrived. >>>>>>> Those are the forms that we must to participate and the mechanisms that >>>>>>> we want to look for so that she is really effective ours >>>>>>> participation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition, at this moment we are working in the Work group of >>>>>>> Showcase of Cartagena, in the one of the modificationof the Baylwas of >>>>>>> LACRALO, >>>>>>> several subjects in which are open to Public Commentary >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> we can think and invitations to participate in different WG that >>>>>>> although >>>>>&! gt;> no >>>>>>> is strictly of LACRALO, also exists the possibility of >>>>>>> to participate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the last teleconferencing of the Work group to treat the subject >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Baylaws, lamentably, was single I (and Dev). >>>>>>> Perhaps >>>>>>> these work groups were not of your interest, for that reason not you >>>>>>> you added to no of them. Or perhaps, when not participating in >>>>>>> monthly teleconferencings or to review only some mails of the list, >>>>>>> no >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> you are finding out its existence. >>>>>>> Also a form to improve the participation, is to attend those >>>>>>> teleconferencings, to participate in some WG and to collaborate already with which >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> doing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand, if to vos it interests to you to love a Work group on >>>>>>> Participation, sos totally free to do it, and to summon us to >>>>>>> members >>>>>>> of LACRALO so that we add ourselves. It is within! your possibilities, >>>>>>> to present/display >>>>>>> a proposal, ideas, etc. The motivation can arise fromvos, towards >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> we. Then thus all we can contribute. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Obvious, I agree with which Jacqueline says. If we understood >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> of which we are immersed in a process bottom-up, the motivations go >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> to come from we ourself, and we are going away them to let request a >>>>>>> ours >>>>>>> representing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fatima Cambronero >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the 16 of November of 2010 09:56, Carlos ! Side <cveraq@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>! >> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently finished the initial reason that it motivates the discussion, that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> position on the request of support presented/displayed by several >>>>>>>> candidates, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> enfrio the interchange of opinions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I proposed to settle down mechanisms to foment the participation and >>>>>>>> subject >>>>>>>> even is slope to work it, I believe that it must begin >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> motivation from our representatives and not to wait for proxima >>>>>>>> takes >>>! ;>>>>> of >>>>>>>> decisions so that a momentaneo interest arises againstops >>>>>>>> to motivate >>>>>>>> (or >>>>>>>> to demotivate) the participation of many in these instances. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Reitero which we can contribute in an organized workgroup stops >>>>>>>> to motivate >>>>>>>> the permanent work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Carlos Side >>>>>>>> ISOC Ecuador >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> lac-discuss-is mailing list >>>>>>>> lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.lacralo! .org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>&g! t; >> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> * Fátima Cambronero * >>>>>>> Lawyer-Argentina >>>>>>> President Ageia Densi >>>>>>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> * Fátima Cambronero * >>>>> Lawyer-Argentina >>>>> President Ageia Densi >>>>> http://ar.ageiadensi.org/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > > > lac-discuss-is mailing list > > > > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-is > > > > > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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