Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections
Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was the silence. The no other candidate proposal. The lack of oposition. And as Jose said is really a stupid thing call to vote one candidate. My two cents. And common sense please. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections Jose We have one candidate with approval from 4 of 36 ALSes, I don't see how 1/9th can be consensus. I'd think that if I were the candidate in this position, I'd like ALL the ALSes that support me to so say, and hence I am both officially and ethically approved. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minority, not so? Just my $0.03. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:36 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: LACRALO and Elections From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
Beyond the established procedures, it is ridiculous to call a vote with one candidate.
It is my opinion
JOS
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Subject: LACRALO and Elections From: carlton.samuels @ gmail.com
Dear Colleagues, For all the times we spent on election talk, it seems that some of us are still unfamiliar with the Rules of LACRALO Procedure (ROP). For a good grounding and even if you are not familiar with Robert's Rules of Order, it is really useful if you are familiar with the Rules of the United Nations Reg LACRALO that were the same. And it is irritating, especially when one subjected to long harangues about democracy from some members. A common understanding of the meaning of "consensus" is also elusive.
I've seen the cheers of President José Arce. Keep celebrations a while yet.
First, in LACRALO, all procedural decisions must have a quorum. These are achieved in two ways LACRALO.
# 1 - By decision of the group, has established 8 ELA LACRALO from any place at present in our teleconferences LACRALO as a meeting of quorum. This means that that a meeting by teleconference LACRALO, a union of procedure decision can be decided by a simple majority vote * or cheer *, so eight of eight voting members are present and different ALS right to vote.
# 2 - For the online movements, a time to achieve quorum must be set by the Secretariat. When a simple majority of ALS certificates indicate LACRALO its position before it expires, the meeting is a quorum. Any procedure ³ n decisions taken by a simple majority of ALS binding. To LACRALO now 19 year ± os ALS.
Elections are one of the few issues listed are background and ³ n votacià request a formal. Unless, of course, has been agreed Suspension of this. I have called for a consensus candidate. This is a questionnaire ³ n procedure. A The answer to this ques ³ n ³ n procedure over decisions binding, a simple * * The majority of ALS is now a quorum * * Reunion that should be indicated by the vote or by acclamation ³ n.
If we agree on a consensus candidate, this means that the electoral process, provided and machinery has been suspended. This means that we will not have voting weighted. This means that the electoral process is significantly reduced.
Notwithstanding the foregoing, any ALS can only invoke privilege request a vote on the background questionnaire ³ n, ie the demand for Election n with the entire process and machinery, including the weighted votes in game. And Secretariat is obliged to accede to this Request for n.
Carlton Samuels
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Consensus without a quorum? That is really uncommon common sense. I grew up knowing that if there is no quorum, there is no activity that is official coming from that non-quorate "meeting". Therefore, how can there be consensus if there wasn't a quorate meeting? A connsensus of 4? when quorum is double that? Besides, I didn't see a call for a VOTE, I saw an online POLL to confirm the consensus. (Similar as counting hands in a room, or having the members in f2f say AYE or NO. (Which brings us to acclamation) Maybe there's a problem with the translation because poll and vote are two very different things in English. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:53 AM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was the silence. The no other candidate proposal. The lack of oposition. And as Jose said is really a stupid thing call to vote one candidate. My two cents. And common sense please. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections
Jose We have one candidate with approval from 4 of 36 ALSes, I don't see how 1/9th can be consensus. I'd think that if I were the candidate in this position, I'd like ALL the ALSes that support me to so say, and hence I am both officially and ethically approved. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minority, not so? Just my $0.03.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
Dear Jacqueline: I can see you loves to fight. I particularly prefer before hits, talk a lot till achive a unified conclusion. I think my words were very clear. If nobody appear at the adecuate moment, lost the possibility to argue after the consumate facts. After postulation period, was only a candidate. So, that meant : An enormous silent agreement, or notional agreement by consensus. We no need extend more this discussion, now became abstract. All the best x u. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:36:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Consensus without a quorum? That is really uncommon common sense. I grew up knowing that if there is no quorum, there is no activity that is official coming from that non-quorate "meeting". Therefore, how can there be consensus if there wasn't a quorate meeting? A connsensus of 4? when quorum is double that? Besides, I didn't see a call for a VOTE, I saw an online POLL to confirm the consensus. (Similar as counting hands in a room, or having the members in f2f say AYE or NO. (Which brings us to acclamation) Maybe there's a problem with the translation because poll and vote are two very different things in English.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:53 AM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was the silence. The no other candidate proposal. The lack of oposition. And as Jose said is really a stupid thing call to vote one candidate. My two cents. And common sense please. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections
Jose We have one candidate with approval from 4 of 36 ALSes, I don't see how 1/9th can be consensus. I'd think that if I were the candidate in this position, I'd like ALL the ALSes that support me to so say, and hence I am both officially and ethically approved. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minority, not so? Just my $0.03.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
Fight? Not at all. Just into process, procedure and rules. As a legal practitioner, I think you should appove. On 28/07/2011, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline: I can see you loves to fight. I particularly prefer before hits, talk a lot till achive a unified conclusion. I think my words were very clear. If nobody appear at the adecuate moment, lost the possibility to argue after the consumate facts. After postulation period, was only a candidate. So, that meant : An enormous silent agreement, or notional agreement by consensus. We no need extend more this discussion, now became abstract. All the best x u. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA GNSO Council - ICANN former ALAC member by LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:36:57 -0400 Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Consensus without a quorum? That is really uncommon common sense. I grew up knowing that if there is no quorum, there is no activity that is official coming from that non-quorate "meeting". Therefore, how can there be consensus if there wasn't a quorate meeting? A connsensus of 4? when quorum is double that? Besides, I didn't see a call for a VOTE, I saw an online POLL to confirm the consensus. (Similar as counting hands in a room, or having the members in f2f say AYE or NO. (Which brings us to acclamation) Maybe there's a problem with the translation because poll and vote are two very different things in English.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:53 AM, carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Jacqueline. The consensus was the silence. The no other candidate proposal. The lack of oposition. And as Jose said is really a stupid thing call to vote one candidate. My two cents. And common sense please. Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Morris <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 07:35:12 To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] LACRALO and Elections
Jose We have one candidate with approval from 4 of 36 ALSes, I don't see how 1/9th can be consensus. I'd think that if I were the candidate in this position, I'd like ALL the ALSes that support me to so say, and hence I am both officially and ethically approved. 4 out of 36 is kind of a big minority, not so? Just my $0.03.
Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
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