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[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com What I see is many people defending the candidacy of Lance Hinds but he does not appear to defend like never appeared in a meeting ALAC conference call or in 10 years. JOS 07/23/2015 17:17 GMT-04: 30 <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> :
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
Alex, fue el SoI no presentó durante la fase de nominación? Si había una conflicto entonces, por qué no se planteó entonces? ¿Por qué sólo ahora, mucho después de la proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y anunciado públicamente, de acuerdo con las líneas de tiempo del ALAC? Entiendo que algunos podrían ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente atención, pero yo sí no veo ninguna justificación para todo el proceso que se deshace. No había problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrónico que tengo leer. Era justo y correcto y salió de acuerdo a todas las normas y reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traición a los principios democráticos. Si hay un problema, a continuación, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de recuperación si es que existe, pero por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral. Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy trabajando para nuestra Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se realizan - estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrático transparente y justo. YO no puede sentarse y observar cómo se sobornó en LACRALO. Jacqueline
Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
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I am defending the sanctity of the electoral process and the concept of democracy. I haven't gone into any issues about Alex's "conflict of interest" or other issues that people have with the newly elected ALAC representative. If there were issues, the time to put up other nominees was adequate, and has long passed. The integrity of the process requires that you guys respect it and accept the result that YOUR nominations (or lack thereof) have come up with. I find it distressing to see so many efforts to subvert the course of democracy. Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
What I see is many people defending the candidacy of Lance Hinds but he does not appear to defend like never appeared in a meeting ALAC conference call or in 10 years.
JOS
07/23/2015 17:17 GMT-04: 30 <jam@jacquelinemorris.com> :
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Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
Alex, fue el SoI no presentó durante la fase de nominación? Si había una conflicto entonces, por qué no se planteó entonces? ¿Por qué sólo ahora, mucho después de la proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y anunciado públicamente, de acuerdo con las líneas de tiempo del ALAC? Entiendo que algunos podrían ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente
atención,
pero yo sí no veo ninguna justificación para todo el proceso que se deshace. No había problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrónico que tengo leer. Era justo y correcto y salió de acuerdo a todas las normas y reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traición a los principios democráticos. Si hay un problema, a continuación, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de recuperación si es que existe, pero por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral. Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy trabajando para nuestra Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se realizan - estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrático transparente y justo. YO no puede sentarse y observar cómo se sobornó en LACRALO. Jacqueline
Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx> escribió:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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