FYI ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:31:25 +0200 From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>, na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS Issues ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Garth,

Thanks again for dumping those domains. There is nothing to it. Thats what we do everytime we receive a complaint: Investigate, and if found to be in breach of our policies, we take down. I hope we can continue working together without resorting to post each potentially infringing domain name on public lists before launching a complaint with us. Believe it or not, I think we're making progress here. Each and every illegally used domain name we can take down is a success for us too. So keep those abuse reports coming, but please, use our proper abuse channels.

-- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:04 -0400 From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS Issues Message-ID: On 28 July 2010 09:31, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote:

Dear Garth,

Thanks again for dumping those domains.

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There is nothing to it. Thats what we do everytime we receive a complaint: Investigate, and if found to be in breach of our policies, we take down. I hope we can continue working together without resorting to post each potentially infringing domain name on public lists before launching a complaint with us.

Perhaps if there was better engagement, there may be a process through which Knujon will release a draft list of domains to registrars, which would allow them to act before the list goes public. This would give the opportunities for the genuine "good actors" to respond as required, while enabling the "bad actors" (who will ignore or defer the Knujon lists) to be revealed. And if there are items in the Knujon lists that are indeed legitimate, then that discrepancy ought to be resolved as well before they go public. Volker, perhaps you and Michele (if he agrees with this) might again advance such engagement within the registrar community. It doesn't have to be everyone; those who choose not to engage are free to stay away, but they shouldn't prevent those who do want to do the right thing to do so. In this respect Knujon can be seen as a valuable tool (to help catch the bad domains that 'slip through the cracks') rather than just a source of confrontation.

Believe it or not, I think we're making progress here.

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Each and every illegally used domain name we can take down is a success for us too. So keep those abuse reports coming, but please, use our proper abuse channels.

Volker, perhaps it would be in your mutual best interests to meet Garth part-way here. Asking him to inform registrars in advance of going public, while expecting him to automate every single registrar's different complaint system, is not reasonable. Perhaps there is a way to take his lists in a format that allows you to bulk-process the identified domains. You already know that Knujon does more than just occasional single complaints. He is doing you a service and simplifying your task of identifying illegal and improper registrations. If you're asking him to work with you rather than to be confrontational, then it makes sense not to put obstacles in his way of doing that. - Evan ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:57 -0400 From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS Issues

Volker, perhaps you and Michele (if he agrees with this) might again advance such engagement within the registrar community. It doesn't have to be everyone; those who choose not to engage are free to stay away, but they shouldn't prevent those who do want to do the right thing to do so. In this respect Knujon can be seen as a valuable tool (to help catch the bad domains that 'slip through the cracks') rather than just a source of confrontation.

I should add that the technical resources available to NARALO (mailing list creation, conference call bridge, Doodle) can be made available to you should such an engagement become possible. - Evan