Aug. 15, 2014
4:58 p.m.
[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Estamos de acuerdo con Sergio Salinas Desde: carlton.samuels@gmail.com Muy consciente de la discusión en el hilo .... y la idea errónea. De hecho, me respondí a la publicación original de Dev antes de la convocatoria de la votación y repitió mi posición posteriormente en el wiki; 2 caracteres segundo nivel dominios gTLD no deben restringirse. Aparte de eso, pequeño detalle, pero los comentarios bajo el encabezamiento de materia tendrían confusión añadido en lugar de aclarar la discusión de nuestros colegas. Especialmente aquellos que no estaban pagando gran atención en el primer lugar. Carlton ============================== Carlton A Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y Turnaround * ============================= El viernes, 15 de agosto 2014 a las 11:04 AM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com> escribió: > Carlton, > > the subject line as Sergio's original. > > Sergio and Christian object to something that is not being discussed. > > Chapter over and our representatives should vote in abstention admitting > that LACRALO didn't understand the question well enough to arrive at a > position. > > Let's do better next time. > > Yours, > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Carlton Samuels < > carlton.samuels@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Vanda: >> FWIW, the subject line is therefore deceptive; you DO NOT agree with >> Sergio. >> >> Carlton >> >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> >> ============================= >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:18 AM, <vanda@uol.com.br> wrote: >> >> > >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> > >> > Subject: Re: We agree with Sergio Salinas >> > From: vanda@uol.com.br >> > >> > Exactly what I said in the Wiki and yesterday headed to colleagues. >> > Here in Brazil we .bb.br over 4 -5 years ago, without any >> > issue. If there are ccTLDs and gTLDs with this alternative does not >> seem >> > right >> > not admit that the new also do so. >> > Hugs all q >> > Vanda Scartezini >> > Polo Consultores Associados >> > Av. Paulista 1159, 1004 cj >> > 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil >> > Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 >> > Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 8/14/14, 19:37, "Alejandro Pisanty" <apisanty@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > Sergio, >> > > >> > > At the risk of not being understood or not I explain: >> > > >> > > So what you're saying is that you do not agree with two gTLDs >> > > Characters, as they could be .aa, .ab, .ac, etc. >> > > >> > > That is not up for discussion right now. >> > > >> > > What is being discussed is whether to authorize or two names >> > > Characters in the second level of some of the new gTLDs as .globo. >> > > Continuing with this example being of our region, they would like >> > > Aa.tld, ie aa.globo, ab.globo, ac.globo. >> > > >> > > Do you have any problems with ar.globo, br.globo, co.globo, cr.globo, >> > > Mx.globo, pe.globo, ve.globo, etc.? (In these examples I'm getting >> > > Combinations of two identical characters ccTLDs currently >> > > ISO 3166). >> > > >> > > I still: do you have a problem with fk.globo? >> > > >> > > I still more: imagine - no jump for the political issue - one day >> > > The Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela changes to ISO 3166 .ve .bv. >> > > Do you have a problem with that now authorizes the existence of >> bv.globo >> > > And when change happens the name is no longer available? >> > > >> > > Alejandro Pisanty >> > > >> > > >> > > 8/14/2014 17:15 GMT-05: 00 Sergio Salinas Porto < >> > > Presidencia@internauta.org.ar>: >> > > >> > I assumed that it >> would not understand: What I say is that >> plain >> > and simple >> > Do not >> >> > I agree >> with NgTLD two characters because it can cause >> > User >> confusion. I added (and now if I speak of ccTLD) that >> > Besides >> >> > >> Is a list of the ISO 3166 alpha-2 -1 indicates a series of >> > >> Combinations of letters that are intended for ccTLD (some >> > Used >> others not) and that list should be respected and not be >> > >> Used for purposes other than for which it was created. >> > This >> more clear now? >> > >> >> > * Sergio Salinas Porto >> >> > Argentina President Internauta >> >> > Argentina >> Internet Users Association >> > >> <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar> >> > FLUI >> American Federation of Internet Users >> > >> <http://www.fuilatin.org> >> > Facebook >>: I salinasporto < >> http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> >> > & >> > SergiosalinasII >> <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII> >> > Twitter >>: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas> >> > Google+ >> Sergio Salinas Porto >> > >> < https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> >> > Hangout >>: presidencia@internauta.org.ar >> > >> <Hangout%3Apresidencia@internauta.org.ar> / >> > Pixelhub >>: I salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto> >> > Youtube >>: I salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto> >> > Skype >>: internautaargentina >> > Mobi >>: +54 9 223 5 215819 * >> > >> >> > * >> "Hopefully we can be disobedient, whenever we received >> > orders >> > >> Humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo >> > Galeano * >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The >> August 14, 2014, 19:20, Dr.Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < >> > Apisan@unam.mx >> >> > >>> Wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Sergio, >> > >>> >> > >>> Said everything you say, it seems that this position confirms the >> > reading >> > Of >> >> > >>> Vanda (which I share): >> > >>> >> > >>> What you say and supports Christian Casas seems to refer to FIRST >> > LEVEL >> at >> > >>> GTLD. >> > >>> >> > >>> The ongoing debate concerns the second level ** **, something kind >> > Aa.tld >>, >> > >>> Where aa is any combination of two letters. >> > >>> >> > >>> Can you confirm or deny it explicitly? >> > >>> >> > >>> Alejandro Pisanty >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> > >>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> > >>> School of Chemistry UNAM >> > >>> Av.University 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> + 52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD >> > >>> >> > >>> SMS +525541444475 +525541444475 FROM MEXICO >> > >>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> > >>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> > >>> Join the LinkedIn group at UNAM, >> > >>> Http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> > >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> > >>> ---- >> Join ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> > >>>. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> > >>> >> > >>> ________________________________________ >> > >>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ >> > >>> Lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of >> Sergio >> > >>> Salinas Porto [presidencia@internauta.org.ar] >> > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 17:03 >> > >>> To: Vanda Scartezini >> > >>> CC: Cristian Hernan Casas; LACRALO Spanish >> > >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] We agree with Sergio Salinas >> > >>> >> > >>> Dear Vanda: >> > >>> I'll try to be clear, anyone know (by knowledge or >> > By >> >> > >>> Usual) that two characters are used to demarcate the ccTLD. >> > >>> ICANN Many times (not always tell), are discussing what >> > That >> >> > >>> Want to do business, maybe it's time to start thinking about >> > How come >> >> > >>> These changes would impact on end users. >> > >>> We, the end users, who usually know (except >> > Rare >> >> > >>> Exceptions, which you name in your example) are three gTLDs >> > Or >> >> > More >> >> > >>> Characters and two-character ccTLD, >> > >>> A ccTLD default allows us to know which law governs users >> > About >> >> > >>> These domains, in terms of rights and obligations and gives us some >> > Type >> >> > Of >> >> > >>> Quiet as to how to manage with regard to this as >> > >>> Recognize to be clear rules. >> > >>> The use of two characters in a NgTLD may cause some >> > >> Kind of >> > >>> Confusion about this and put an "uncomfortable" place (to >> > call >> > >>> Somehow) to Internet users. >> > >>> Table of ISO 3166? 2 -1 indicates that there are certain >> > Characters >> >> > >>> That were not used yet, but I believe these can be >> > >>> Used by countries or new territories at some point and not >> > Should >> >> > >>> Be delivered to anyone. >> > >>> Always remember has changed the world as after the fall of >> > Wall and >> >> > >>> As before and also have changed the map of the world, what I >> > I studied >> >> > >>> When I was a child is no longer the case and I have seen how >> countries >> > Called >> >> > Of >> >> > >>> Now call a form from another or other countries that formed today >> > Are >> >> > >>> Separate and distinct called, so that the table and further >> > Two >> >> > >>> Characters must be preserved for what it was created: a standard >> > >>> International that provides codes for the names of countries and >> > Other >> >> > >>> Administrative units to define domain names >> > Level >> >> > >>> Geographic superior and not to do business some entrepreneurs >> > With >> >> > >>> A little money in their pockets. >> > >>> I'm clear ... although this is quite complex. >> > >>> A dear friend hug >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> * Sergio Salinas Porto >> > >>> President Internauta Argentina >> > >>> Argentina Association of Internet Users >> > >>> <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar> >> > >>> FLUI American Federation of Internet Users >> > >>> <http://www.fuilatin.org> >> > >>> Facebook: I salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> >> & >> > >>> SergiosalinasII <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII> >> > >>> Twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas> >> > >>> Google+: Sergio Salinas Porto >> > >>> < https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> >> > >>> Hangout: presidencia@internauta.org.ar >> > >>> <Hangout%3Apresidencia@internauta.org.ar> / >> > >>> Pixelhub: I salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto> >> > >>> Youtube: I salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto> >> > >>> Skype: internautaargentina >> > >>> Mobi: +54 9 223 5 215819 * >> > >>> >> > >>> * "We hope we can be disobedient, whenever we received orders >> > >>> Humiliate our conscience or violate our common sense "Eduardo >> > >>> Galeano * >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> On August 14, 2014, 18:26, Vanda Scartezini <vanda@uol.com.br> >> > >>> Wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> Let me understand. We're talking about according to their names >> > >> Domain. >> > >>>> CcTLDs and gTLDs and others are using. As here in Brazil >> > >> There are, >> > >>>> For example: @ .... bb.br for banks in Brazil. I do not think >> > >>> Allow >> > >>>> Others with relevant negotiations with the owner of the two >> > >>>> Characters, be different do that already occurs.To deny is to >> have a >> > Treatment >> >> > >>>> Miscellaneous in will market who dispute the same market, >> > That >> >> > Do not >> >> > >>>> Seems fair. >> > >>>> To me this is not the same as having .amazon or .patagonia and if >> > What >> >> > >>>> Same as having - and we or even our countries answered >> > >> - >> > >>>> Amazon.com or patagonia.com >> > >>>> It's a matter of being fair and have the same rule to all. Or >> > My >> >> > See >> >> > >>>> Obrigamos all who already use 2 characters ascii cancel >> > These >> >> > >>>> Names by level. >> > >>>> Appreciate if I am convinced of the contrary >> > >>>> Hugs >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Vanda Scartezini >> > >>>> Polo Consultores Associados >> > >>>> Av.Paulista 1159, 1004 cj >> > >>>> 01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil >> > >>>> Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253 >> > >>>> Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464 >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On 8/12/14, 13:23, "Cristian Casas" < >> > cristiancasas@hotmail.com> >> > >> Wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> We agree with Sergio Salinas Porto especially the suggestion >> > That >> >> > >>> The >> > >>>>> Vote is negative because on this and other topics >> > >>>>> Like we have stated several organizations LACRALO >> > With >> >> > >>>>> Regarding its relation ngtld and country codes or regions >> > >>>>> Geographical (cases. Patagonia .amazonas, .cba.y attached for the >> > Dispute >> >> > >>> By >> > >>>>> Misuse of the list of ISO 3166-MA in the case and .gs .fk). >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Cristian Homes >> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > >>>>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Http://www.lacralo.org >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > >>>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Http://www.lacralo.org >> > >>>> >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> Lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > >>> Lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > >>> >> > >>> Http://www.lacralo.org >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Lac-discuss->>'s mailing list >> > Lac-discuss->> es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > >> >> > Http://www.lacralo.org >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - >> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> > >Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM >> > >Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> > >+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD >> > >+525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 >> > >Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> > >LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> > >Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> > >http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> > >Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> > >---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >lac-discuss-es mailing list >> > >lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > >https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > > >> > >http://www.lacralo.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es >> > >> > >> > http://www.lacralo.org >> > >> > >> > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/d99971f7e0.html --]]