Dear Latin GP members, I'd like to bring a few points to your attentions. 1. The newly added Table 17 in the document, page 67 ( https://1drv.ms/w/s!AoE6DtesaqpIiScV3Cut23du78-G?e=tvaZ5p) includes all imposed in-script variant, including the indicator if the variants are imposed from Greek LGR. For example, row#1, #8, #11, etc.). The Table17 might addressed what has been suggested in this discussion. 2. Please allow me to correct the information of the pair: w / ω. w / ω are marked as 'Similar' in Greek LGR, not variant. Therefore, there is no imposed variant to Latin small letter W. I have re-attached the Greek LGR here for information. Regards, Pitinan On 6/30/21, 11:03 PM, "Latingp on behalf of Mats Dufberg via Latingp" <latingp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of latingp@icann.org> wrote: There are several aspects of variants. 1. If the members of a variant set (or pair) are clearly distinct, then the support for creating the variant relation must be solid, or else the fact will be questioned over and over again, and that will lower the acceptance of the rules. In this case the proposed or "imported" set is made of members that can easily confused. 2. If the members of a set are used as distinct characters in a language, then the acceptance will also be lower. This is not unrelated to the bullet above. I think it is likely that the members are not used as distinct characters in any language. 3. For the reader or reviewer of our report it is better if all in-script variant sets are included, even if the set is due to transitivity from Greek or some other script. This is too complex to expect the reader to also read the other reports. 4. Being consistent is always a good feature. Else we risk focus on wrong aspects of the report. Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://internetstiftelsen.se/__;!!PtGJab4!rda2c... On 30/06/2021, 08:00, "Latingp on behalf of Michael Bauland via Latingp" <latingp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of latingp@icann.org> wrote: Hello Bill, thank you very much for summarising the facts. On 29.06.2021 21:10, Bill Jouris via Latingp wrote: > > Transitivity means that all of the following pairs are Latin in-script > variants: > ć / ċ i / í ń / ṅ ó / ȯ ẃ / ẇ ź / ż > > But not: > é / ė > > Does anyone really and truly want to get up in public and argue that > having this /single/ omission is intellectually defensible? Honestly, yes I do, really and truly. ;-) All of those variants are not ours (well technically we inherit them and therefore they become ours, but we are not in favour of them) and there is no need to argue for having any of those. We do not consider them to be variants and for that reason I do not think it's a good idea to add some other relation that we do not consider to be variants. On the contrary, I would find it difficult to argue in favour of adding them ourselves: "We added those in-script variants, because in the Greek Script some other characters are variants." In my point of view, we should keep the Greek influence on our LGR as small as possible. If some variants get introduced due to transitivity, well, then that's unfortunate, but not really avoidable. Adding those other variants ourselves however, would unnecessarily increase that influence. Nevertheless, as stated last week, this is my personal opinion and I'm more than happy to discuss this in our next call. 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