Michael,
doesn't the Faroese also have their own ccTLD? In that case, if I'm not mistaken, they anyway have the possibility to create an IDN ccTLD.
That is true. Faroe Island is a semi-independent country under Denmark, but outside the EU. It has .fo. 1. If a language using Latin script has a ccTLD (meaning a recognized language of that country) it should maybe be included in our list to make it possible to create the IDN ccTLD of that country. 2. IDN ccTLD names are for country names, but not for other names relevant for Faroe Island.
The basic question is not "should we allow such a language or not allow such a language". It's always one character we are talking about and the question is, is there enough evidence to include the character into the RZ-LGR?
The only characters that could be included are already selected to be included in MSR. It is, however, possible that variant rules should also be updated. We should also remember that most or all languages using Latin script have a-z as larger part of their alphabet. I think that all countries using Latin script have a transliteration method reducing the character set to a-z for air tickets and the machine readable part of the passport. Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ -----Original Message----- From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> Date: Friday, 10 December 2021 at 14:14 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Agenda for the Latin GP meeting on 1 December 2021, 16:00 UTC Hi Mats, On 10.12.2021 13:48, Mats Dufberg via Latingp wrote:
So, we introduced an exception to the rule of only considering EGIDS 4 language, and that exception was that a large number of people are using the language. We cannot use that same reason to include languages just spoken by 1000 people.
The limit of EGIDS 4 is arbitrary, why not 3 or 5? Maybe we have a good discussion of that in the report. The motivation of EGIDS 4, as I see it, is that it should be a language of stable written tradition and use.
The limit of 1,000,000 speakers of EGIDS 5 languages is even more arbitrary. We have considered it relevant to include Faroese language (EGIDS 2?) with 72,000 speakers (assuming as many readers and writers). It has been assumed that for a language of 72,000 speakers there could be an interest of registering a TLD.
doesn't the Faroese also have their own ccTLD? In that case, if I'm not mistaken, they anyway have the possibility to create an IDN ccTLD. So while I doubt those 72,000 people will create their own gTLD, it's not unlikely that they simply get a new IDN ccTLD (free of charge, as ICANN is concerned, but also adhering to the RZ-LGR).
If a language community of EGIDS 5 languages in some cases could be interested in TLDs, why should the limit be 1,000,000? If we consider the language to be mature enough to be counted in it is hard to consider 1,000,000 to be an non-arbitrary limit.
It was probably a mistake to introducer the exception. We should stuck with the EGIDS limit only.
No good deed goes unpunished. ;-) But seriously, I'd suggest to first have a chat (or at least an e-mail exchange) with IP to check whether it makes any sense to investigate further into this topic. If they say EGIDS level 5 is generally not acceptable and our 1,000,000 speaker exception was already pushing the limits, then I don't think it's worth putting any more effort into this. In any case, before we start working on repertoires and possible variants we should ensure that those languages (or rather the characters unique to their languages) would be accepted by IP. The basic question is not "should we allow such a language or not allow such a language". It's always one character we are talking about and the question is, is there enough evidence to include the character into the RZ-LGR? And for this the question (which IP would have to answer) is, whether an EGIDS level 5 language with 100,000 speakers is evidence enough for the inclusion or whether that's not sufficient. Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp _______________________________________________ Latingp mailing list Latingp@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.