Apostrophe vs Caron and Horn
Dear colleagues, Here is a wordmark display of letters followed by apostrophe vs the same letters with caron or horn. See the Comment at the end of Section 5.4. My sense is that, while side-by-side the difference is spacing is apparent, in a domain name a user would be unable to spot the difference. And thus, per the exclusion of punctuation and marks similar to punctuation, these code points ought to be excluded. (Personally, I don't think the exclusion of punctuation, except for periods, makes much sense. But that's the rule we are supposed to be following.) Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
I agree that D and L with Caron resembles D and L with apostrophe, or maybe rather, D and L with single quote mark (T with Caron should also be included here), but U and O with Horn are quite different where the "thing" is attached at the half-high level rather than detached at the full-high level. If characters that resembles an apostrophe or carries something that looks like an apostrophe should be excluded then D, L and T with Caron are good candidates, but I do not think that U and O with Horn are. (Comic Sans is a bad example here because the U and O with Horn comes from some other font/type face through font substitution.) Yours, Mats --- Mats Dufberg DNS Specialist Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Reply to: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> Date: Friday, 13 December 2019 at 02:03 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Apostrophe vs Caron and Horn Dear colleagues, Here is a wordmark display of letters followed by apostrophe vs the same letters with caron or horn. See the Comment at the end of Section 5.4. My sense is that, while side-by-side the difference is spacing is apparent, in a domain name a user would be unable to spot the difference. And thus, per the exclusion of punctuation and marks similar to punctuation, these code points ought to be excluded. (Personally, I don't think the exclusion of punctuation, except for periods, makes much sense. But that's the rule we are supposed to be following.) Bill Jouris Inside Products bill.jouris@insidethestack.com 831-659-8360 925-855-9512 (direct)
Hi all, On 13.12.2019 09:42, Mats Dufberg wrote:
I agree that D and L with Caron resembles D and L with apostrophe, or maybe rather, D and L with single quote mark (T with Caron should also be included here), but U and O with Horn are quite different where the "thing" is attached at the half-high level rather than detached at the full-high level.
If characters that resembles an apostrophe or carries something that looks like an apostrophe should be excluded then D, L and T with Caron are good candidates, but I do not think that U and O with Horn are.
I agree with Mats. For the consonants (D, L, T) the Caron is too confusable with a punctuation mark to keep those letters. I'd certainly vote to remove them. For the vowels I am undecided. Yes, the "thing" as Mats calls it, is at half level and thus not quite at a location one would expect an apostrophe or single quote. Still with some fonts it's not nearly as attached as with others. If I were to decide, I'd probably vote for keeping the vowels, but I wouldn't complain if a majority votes differently. Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp
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