Dear Colleagues, I have proposed an alternate response to the request that we include the Middle Dot in our repertoire. I think it better reflects the actual course of events, as well as the appropriate course if the commenter desires to pursue the matter further. To save you looking for the online text, her is what I propose: The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we petitioned the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel declined. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be in the MSR, the Latin GP is powerless to act on this request. The commenter will need to apply to the Integration Panel for satisfaction. Bill
In general, the message is good, but I think we should soften the language against IP.
The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we suggested the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel did not agree. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be a subset of the MSR, the Latin GP cannot include the Middle Dot in the repertoire. <<< Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, 11 December 2021 at 19:31 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Middle Dot Dear Colleagues, I have proposed an alternate response to the request that we include the Middle Dot in our repertoire. I think it better reflects the actual course of events, as well as the appropriate course if the commenter desires to pursue the matter further. To save you looking for the online text, her is what I propose: The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we petitioned the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel declined. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be in the MSR, the Latin GP is powerless to act on this request. The commenter will need to apply to the Integration Panel for satisfaction. Bill
I certainly didn't intend to say anything against the IP. (After all, I don't believe that they were the ones who classified that code point as something that can't be used in a domain name.) If it comes off that way, then yes we definitely need to rephrase it. Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:51 AM, Mats Dufberg<mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> wrote: <!--#yiv5910435145 _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv5910435145 #yiv5910435145 p.yiv5910435145MsoNormal, #yiv5910435145 li.yiv5910435145MsoNormal, #yiv5910435145 div.yiv5910435145MsoNormal {margin:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5910435145 p.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35ffparagraph, #yiv5910435145 li.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35ffparagraph, #yiv5910435145 div.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35ffparagraph {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5910435145 span.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35ffeop {}#yiv5910435145 span.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35fftextrun {}#yiv5910435145 span.yiv5910435145ydp36fb35ffnormaltextrun {}#yiv5910435145 span.yiv5910435145EmailStyle23 {font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv5910435145 .yiv5910435145MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv5910435145 div.yiv5910435145WordSection1 {}--> In general, the message is good, but I think we should soften the language against IP.
The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we suggested the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel did not agree. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be a subset of the MSR, the Latin GP cannot include the Middle Dot in the repertoire. <<< Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, 11 December 2021 at 19:31 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Middle Dot Dear Colleagues, I have proposed an alternate response to the request that we include the Middle Dot in our repertoire. I think it better reflects the actual course of events, as well as the appropriate course if the commenter desires to pursue the matter further. To save you looking for the online text, her is what I propose: The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we petitioned the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel declined. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be in the MSR, the Latin GP is powerless to act on this request. The commenter will need to apply to the Integration Panel for satisfaction. Bill
Yes and no. IP did not classified is as very special, may only be used between two Latin Small Letter L in IDN. That is defined in one of the IDN RFCs. IP excluded it from MSR, but it might be that there is some text that they are bound to that says that such code points should never be included. Independent, we do not have to expose all discussions with IP. Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Reply to: "b_jouris@yahoo.com" <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Monday, 13 December 2021 at 14:11 To: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se>, ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Middle Dot I certainly didn't intend to say anything against the IP. (After all, I don't believe that they were the ones who classified that code point as something that can't be used in a domain name.) If it comes off that way, then yes we definitely need to rephrase it. Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_Andr...> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:51 AM, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> wrote: In general, the message is good, but I think we should soften the language against IP.
The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we suggested the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel did not agree. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be a subset of the MSR, the Latin GP cannot include the Middle Dot in the repertoire. <<< Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, 11 December 2021 at 19:31 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Middle Dot Dear Colleagues, I have proposed an alternate response to the request that we include the Middle Dot in our repertoire. I think it better reflects the actual course of events, as well as the appropriate course if the commenter desires to pursue the matter further. To save you looking for the online text, her is what I propose: The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we petitioned the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel declined. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be in the MSR, the Latin GP is powerless to act on this request. The commenter will need to apply to the Integration Panel for satisfaction. Bill
My thought was more that the IP would know what the constraint was, and where it was from. So that is where the commenter should go next, even if it isn't the final place he will need to go to get what he asks for. That and the fact that, in a large organization, the expectation is that something which is being escalated is expected to go thru each step on the path to where a decision was made. Tedious, but expected. Bill On Monday, December 13, 2021, 05:41:24 AM PST, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> wrote: <!--#yiv4326980639 _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv4326980639 #yiv4326980639 p.yiv4326980639MsoNormal, #yiv4326980639 li.yiv4326980639MsoNormal, #yiv4326980639 div.yiv4326980639MsoNormal {margin:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv4326980639 a:link, #yiv4326980639 span.yiv4326980639MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4326980639 p.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35ffparagraph, #yiv4326980639 li.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35ffparagraph, #yiv4326980639 div.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35ffparagraph {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv4326980639 p.yiv4326980639msonormal, #yiv4326980639 li.yiv4326980639msonormal, #yiv4326980639 div.yiv4326980639msonormal {margin-right:0cm;margin-left:0cm;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv4326980639 span.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35fftextrun {}#yiv4326980639 span.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35ffnormaltextrun {}#yiv4326980639 span.yiv4326980639ydp36fb35ffeop {}#yiv4326980639 span.yiv4326980639EmailStyle31 {font-family:"Courier New";color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv4326980639 .yiv4326980639MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv4326980639 div.yiv4326980639WordSection1 {}--> Yes and no. IP did not classified is as very special, may only be used between two Latin Small Letter L in IDN. That is defined in one of the IDN RFCs. IP excluded it from MSR, but it might be that there is some text that they are bound to that says that such code points should never be included. Independent, we do not have to expose all discussions with IP. Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Reply to: "b_jouris@yahoo.com" <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Monday, 13 December 2021 at 14:11 To: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se>, ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Middle Dot I certainly didn't intend to say anything against the IP. (After all, I don't believe that they were the ones who classified that code point as something that can't be used in a domain name.) If it comes off that way, then yes we definitely need to rephrase it. Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:51 AM, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se> wrote: In general, the message is good, but I think we should soften the language against IP.
The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we suggested the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel did not agree. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be a subset of the MSR, the Latin GP cannot include the Middle Dot in the repertoire. <<< Mats -- --- Mats Dufberg mats.dufberg@internetstiftelsen.se Technical Expert Internetstiftelsen (The Swedish Internet Foundation) Mobile: +46 73 065 3899 https://internetstiftelsen.se/ From:Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Reply to: Bill Jouris <b_jouris@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, 11 December 2021 at 19:31 To: ICANN Latin GP <latingp@icann.org> Subject: [Latingp] Middle Dot Dear Colleagues, I have proposed an alternate response to the request that we include the Middle Dot in our repertoire. I think it better reflects the actual course of events, as well as the appropriate course if the commenter desires to pursue the matter further. To save you looking for the online text, her is what I propose: The Latin GP agrees that the Middle Dot should be part of the Latin script repertoire. To that end, we petitioned the Integration Panel, back when we were developing the repertoire, to add it to the MSR. The Integration Panel declined. Accordingly, since entries in our repertoire are required to be in the MSR, the Latin GP is powerless to act on this request. The commenter will need to apply to the Integration Panel for satisfaction. Bill | | Virus-free. www.avg.com |
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