April 7, 2009
3:10 p.m.
I know, just trying to add info to determine if they are serious > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@GOV.NU.CA> > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:55 am > To: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com>, "Evan Leibovitch" > <evan@telly.org> > Cc: <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Not really, > Frankly, my own ALS, N-CAP was not AT ALL engaged in ICANN activities > before becoming accredited. But it was a REAL entity with REAL members > with a REAL constitution that was in line with what ICANN wanted. After > becoming accredited, then we became active in the ICANN milieu. > So, the fact that Papergate hasn't been involved in ICANN activities in > the past has no bearing at all, nor how they would use their ALS status. > If you read the DD report that I attached to my first e-mail and then > reference the points that I brought up, you might get a clearer idea of > the issue here. Basically, we have no proof of Papergate's existence > (whether incorporated or not doesn't matter), whether it has members or > not, what its actual mandate is or anything at all. > Clear as mud? Let me know! > D > Darlene A. Thompson > Community Access Program Administrator > Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP > P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 > Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 > Phone: (867) 975-5631 > Fax: (867) 975-5610 > E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Garth > Bruen at KnujOn > Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:50 AM > To: Evan Leibovitch > Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > Hello folks. Having just been accepted myself, I was hoping to avoid > weighing in heavily on this, but I'm concerned. KnujOn was very engaged > in ICANN activities for a long time before applying for At-Large > membership. I gather from the conversation there is scant evidence of > how Papergate has been involved in ICANN activities or how they would > use the ALS status? > ------------------------------------- > Collect, analyze, enforce, repeat... > Garth Bruen > gbruen@knujon.com > http://www.knujon.com > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/149/724 > Dr. Robert Bruen at: > RSA, San Francisco, CA - April 20-24 > https://365.rsaconference.com/index.jspa > Antispyware Coalition, Washington D.C. - May 19 > http://www.antispywarecoalition.org/events/index.htm > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: Regional Advice for Papergate > > From: Evan Leibovitch <evan@telly.org> > > Date: Tue, April 07, 2009 10:07 am > > To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> > > Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > As Darlene said, incorporating but not having any viable > organization > > > is not particularly good either. I happen to be associated with a > > > functioning, productive not-for-profit (far from the ICANN world) > and > > > I would hope that our not having incorporated (initial and ongoing > > > cost just to high to justify) would not be held against us. > > Correct, and I erred by suggesting that an ALS might need to be > > incorporated. The ICANN rules regarding ALS accreditation explicitly > > make no requirement for legal corporate status. > > > Proof/demonstration of ongoing activities and membership is the key. > > Absolutely agreed. > > - Evan > > ------ > > NA-Discuss mailing list > > NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > > ------ > ------ > NA-Discuss mailing list > NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists > .icann.org > Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org > ------