John L wrote:
Really? According to your slides from Sao Paulo, it also redacts most of the registrant info and adds yet to be defined hoops to jump through to get access to it.
You specifically said "OPOC proposal which puts an unverified alleged contact in front of the current unverified info". I was only addressing that statement. Of course there are other elements of the proposal. Why again should my personal information be included in the public Whois?
I don't think combining the contacts was contentious. The issue was and is removing the useful into from public WHOIS. The reason this has gone nowhere is that all of the proposals have been purely worse than the status quo for the people who use WHOIS.
No John, this is not the reason this has gone no where. It has gone no where because the USG government has more say in the process than private user. It has gone nowhere because the free riders (law enforcement, IP interests, ISPs) have a stronger lobby than the primary stakeholders. it has gone no where because specifically those interests have rejected every reasonable compromise that has been offered them. Furthermore, ICANN has no policy to support the status quo. The lack of consensus on what this policy should be speaks volumes. Why should the status quo be maintained if there is no consensus to support its existence?
If there were a reasonable tradeoff, e.g., redact some but verify it so once you get to the redacted stuff it's more likely to be right, there could be some productive negotiations.
This, and much more substantive compromises have been offered up and rejected. For instance, to limit the publication waivers to private individuals didn't seem good enough for the free riders. That was a productive negotiation. (not to mention that the whole verification bit is a fallacy. ICANN continues to do regular data accuracy analysis and continues to show that the quality of Whois data is actually increasing).
PS: I understand why registars are not thrilled about proposals that require more work on every registration.
Another red herring. I'm not thrilled about having my home address listed in a public directory for all time with no control over its use contrary to the laws of the country I live in. -r