Re: no matter how you interpret the ICANN Bylaws definition of an ALS, an individual doesn't fit into it. Vittorio, Since it was you that served as the primary author of the language responsible for the abomination known as the ALAC, I understand your view that the interpretation doesn't accord with your vision of the At-Large as necessarily devoid of individuals. In North America, however, we recognize a form of organization known as the sole proprietorship. The ALAC chose to discriminate against a valid North American organizational form. I recall when you used to be part of an effort on the part of over 1000 individuals to properly organize the at-large -- perhaps you remember icannatlarge.com? But you chose to disregard the consensus view of the broader community and implemented a plan (together with those that had just eliminated all elected at-large directors within ICANN) that had the effect of denying individuals their due rights within ICANN. You have become a traitor to the at-large movement. Your recent comments are consistent with your lack of regard for the community of individuals you pretend to represent. Enjoy your forty pieces of silver as you take your next junket to an ICANN event. --- Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu> wrote:
Wendy Seltzer ha scritto:
Danny Younger, as an individual, doesn't have groups that he can bully into applying as ALSs,
Er... I think you know that Danny Younger is Vice President of ISOC's NY chapter - actually, in the last month there has been a huge thread on the ISOC Chapters list, where the NY chapter asked for opinions, given that their member Danny Younger argued against the invitation that Luc Faubert sent them about joining NARALO. See:
http://wwwhatsup.com/isoc-ny/ICANN_ALC
So let's hear from Danny:
Danny Younger ha scritto:
My application for ALS status has already been denied by the ALAC.
Further, the organization with which I am currently affiliated (ISOC-NY) is a member of the NCUC whose Charter deems ineligible for membership those organizations that either provide services under contract with ICANN or provide services under an MOU with ICANN -- see http://www.ncdnhc.org/current_charter.htm
As such my chapter will likely not join the ALAC as doing so might mean forfeiting their more valuable membership within the NCUC.
Now I get the impression that you seek to deny me full participatory rights on an equal footing with my peers...
Let's hope that I have misunderstood your position.
So: Danny - as an individual, you applied to be recognized as an ALS and your application was rejected (given that, no matter how you interpret the ICANN Bylaws definition of an ALS, an individual doesn't fit into it).
However, you are a leader of an organization that perfectly qualifies as an ALS... but you do not want it to apply as an ALS, and even actively oppose those members of that organization that suggest it to do so.
Also, you say that your organization cannot join NARALO because the *other* civil society grouping at ICANN forbids its members from participating in the At Large.
But then, it's NARALO that "denies you full participatory rights"??
Why don't you ask the NCUC to waive that limitation (if it actually exists) so that you can enjoy your rights through ISOC-NY?
If I may, I would suggest not to lose more time in discussing this kind of arguments... I see no way that Danny can change his mind on the At Large, but also, personally, I see it hard to buy into his claims, so discussing won't lead anywhere.
Regards, -- vb. Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu <-------- --------> finally with a new website at http://bertola.eu/ <--------
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