To repeat I did not refer anything to the Ombudsman, as ALAC Chair or as a private individual. However, if I were to do so as an individual, that would be confidential and I wouldn’t have to discuss with anyone. As Chair, I continue on the path of asking for respectful communication that has been ongoing for months. He’s one of the sources that I have checked as experts in the matter and he sent me info that I passed on. Other experts have provided input into the emails I have sent in the past, have provided other background information, etc. The Ombudsman is an ICANN resource, not only a tribunal. And others have indicated to me that they have approached the Ombudsman. I don’t expect that they will post to this list, as part of the problem is that they feel oppressed and unable to participate. You are perfectly within your rights to disagree with anything and everything on all lists. Just please do it without personal attacks, disrespect, threatening language, insults etc. As I have been asking for a while, as is in the NARALO code of conduct, as in the ALAC Rules. I haven’t indicated in any emails in public any persons from any region as being culpable. So this isn’t an anti-NA thing. There is no attempt to muzzle anyone from expressing their opinion in a respectful and polite manner. There however is an ongoing attempt to make these lists comfortable for everyone, from all regions, to express their opinions, to not be afraid to say what they think. I would hope that as great advocates of free speech, NA in particular would support actions taken to ensure the rights of all to participate freely. And before anyone takes this as proof that I think that this email is any of those things, I am saying this in a general way. Jacqueline From: Thompson, Darlene [mailto:DThompson@GOV.NU.CA] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:45 To: jam@jacquelinemorris.com; Robert Guerra; NA Discuss Subject: RE: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Informationonrespectful communication Jacqueline, It is still true that you did not get full support from ALAC to go to the Ombudsman. Cultural sensitivity goes both ways. I worded my e-mails as politely as possible but I sitll had to disagree with what was happening. I am really tired of people complaining about the lack of sensitivity from NA people. If it there were actually any insults or threats then you would be fully justified in doing what you did just as an individual. As ALAC Chair, you did not - not without a quorum from the ALAC - unless you made it clear that you were doing so as an individual. Using your power to stifle contrary view is not appropriate and I refuse to back down from this point. Therefore, what Robert says, still goes. I support him 100%. Darlene _____ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Jacqueline A. Morris Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 8:33 PM To: 'Robert Guerra'; 'NA Discuss' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Informationonrespectful communication Robert Not at all. And I told you that in my reply to your private email to me. Mis-representing what I said is not kosher at all. I sent some info that was sent to me by Frank after a discussion with several people about how to improve the respect in online communication. He is the ICANN expert in this. This is a follow up to the emails I have sent previously on list communication. With regard to who has contacted the Ombudsman to date about emails sent to the public list (NOT the NARALO list) - I cannot say, as Ombudsman referrals are confidential and he hasn’t told me anything about that. Others have however indicated to me that they have considered approaching or have approached him about some emails on the public list. I haven’t been informed by anyone about complaints to him on any communication on the NARALO list to date. That is the correct information, and I hope that you will correct any emails that you have sent out with the erroneous information . Jacquelin From: Robert Guerra [mailto:lists@privaterra.info] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 17:03 To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful communication As some of you might have seen. it seem that Jacqueline thinks that comments from myself and others on NA RALO are soo inappropiate that it requires a referral to the ombudsman for his comment. Frankly, i'm amazed and shocked. I ask that if you feel strongly on this that you comment - ASAP. thanks Robert -- Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Guerra <HYPERLINK "mailto:lists@privaterra.info"lists@privaterra.info> Date: October 29, 2007 4:59:08 PM PDT To: At-Large Global List <HYPERLINK "mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org"alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: Re: [At-Large] FW: Information onrespectful communication Jacqueline: Huh ! Either don't understand your email, or am so surprised that as outgoing chair you would take such an action. To be hones, after a productive and team building day yesterday - you take this bombshell and drop this on us. i'm frankly shocked ... I am assuming correctly that differences of opinion are such that you - in your own personal capacity - are asking the ombudsman to pass a judgement on individuals in at-large that are exercising their freedom of speech? An action such as a referral should be done in consultation with the ALAC, and not done on your whim. Please seek the support of your peers, to take such drastic steps. Might I suggest that - instead - you seek the input of the alac, and see if indeed we concur with your course of action. If obtain support, fine. If not, then no course of action - should be obtain. In summary - I think I speak for many of those on the ALAC in saying, please seeking clarify your proposed actions. Personally, I think they are most inappropriate. regards, Robert --- Robert Guerra <HYPERLINK "mailto:rguerra@privaterra.ca"rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377 On 29-Oct-07, at 4:01 PM, Jacqueline A. Morris wrote: 0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all As so many of the postings to this list are so disrespectful I have asked the Ombudsman for his input informally, before he gets brought into it formally by people who this has affected negatively. He has offered the following. Please read and attempt to follow some of the suggestions in the documents he has sent, so we can all work productively. Jacqueline From: frank.fowlie [HYPERLINK "mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org"mailto:frank.fowlie@icann.org] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 15:51 To: jacqueline Morris Subject: wellington comment from page 6 on and HYPERLINK "http://www.icann.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf"http://www.ican n.org/ombudsman/respectful-communication.pdf Frank Fowlie, MACAM Ombudsman The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 Marina del Rey California, USA, 90292 tel: +310-823-9358 fax: +310-823-8649 HYPERLINK "http://www.icannombudsman.org/"www.icannombudsman.org The Values of this Office are: -Respect for Diversity; -Excellence in Ombudsmanship; -Professionalism; -Confidentiality; -Impartiality; -and Independence. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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