Since the ICANN Bylaws provide that ALAC may decertify an ALS by a 2/3 vote, and that the Board of ICANN shall review any such decision using a procedure to be determined by the board, I'm afraid that providing in the MoU for decertification of ALSes would only be possible via some generic language which in effect states that decertification shall be as provided in the ICANN Bylaws. On 30/04/07, RJGlass | America@Large <jipshida@gmail.com> wrote:
I suggest:
1) placing these decertifying procedures in the MOU.
2) either a) specifying the ways which individuals are represented in ALAC or b) removing individuals from the membership of ALAC* in the proposed MOU.
Other than that, the MOU seems fine with me.
*I'm not trying to un-involve the individuals from the ALAC, it just seems that they can fit into an ALS in some way. There has been discussion as to how we certify an individual, how to make sure there are not multiple votes, etc. It just seems this is a weakness of the procedures.
Thanks, Randy Glass A@L
On 4/30/07, Nick Ashton-Hart <nick.ashton-hart@icann.org > wrote:
Sorry to be responding to some of this so long after the questions were posted, but I just returned from holiday + being ill.
To answer the question: There are currently no procedures for decertification of an ALS by ALAC, though as noted the Bylaws of ICANN do provide for the ability of the ALAC to create such and make use of them.
On 16/04/07, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> wrote:
Luc Faubert wrote: "The Chair could be responsible to determine which ALSes made contributions that are "worthwhile".
Opposed to such powers in the hands of the Chair. The ICANN bylaws provide for the possibility of ALS decertification:
"Decisions to certify or de-certify an At-Large Structure shall require a 2/3 vote of all of the members of the ALAC and shall be subject to review according to procedures established by the Board."
We should have the ALAC publish these decertification procedures. I, for one, certainly haven't seen them anywhere. Nick, can you arrange for these procedures to be published?
--- Evan Leibovitch < evan@telly.org> wrote:
Luc Faubert wrote:
"The Chair could be responsible to determine which ALSes made contributions that are "worthwhile".
Absolutely opposed, to anything requiring a judgement call.
I am accountable to my group's membership for the quality of our participation -- not to ICANN, and certainly not to this sub-group that -- so far -- can't demonstrate competence at even determining a meeting site (a month before the meeting is supposed to take place!).
Am I the only one to see the irony of a group whose participants complain about the arbitrariness of ICANN staff power, yet have no problem assigning similarly arbitrary authority to the group itself? Two wrongs do NOT make a right.
Quanitify what you consider "worthwhile" or leave such a provision out. If you can't quanitify it, I can't trust it.
- Evan
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