And to the substance Randy's organization went through the process and was accredited. If NARALO feels that it shouldn't be accredited, then you can use your processes to report such to ALAC, and it can be dealt with (as soon as we finalise the decertification process) I can't say about the mailing lists of other ALSes, as I really don't have time to grub about the archives of the other 100 or so groups, but the ALS that I am a very active member of has got a special list just for ICANN issues, and members who are interested subscribe to that - summaries of the discussions there go to the general membership. That might be a way for ALSes with broader interests to facilitate discussion without annoying the members who aren't particularly interested in ICANN issues. Jacqueline -----Original Message----- From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 14:10 To: Robert Guerra; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] FW: [At-Large] NomCom review Hello Robert, I look forward to your posting of the de-certification procedures. At issue, for me, is whether we are receiving the benefit of organizational responses, or merely the personal viewpoints of those that claim to represent an organization. ...and I'll be happy to address the issue of other organizations. The theory was that DNS/ICANN-related information would be conveyed to the ALSs by way of their representatives who would then aggregate the responses and pass the input back through to the RALO. I don't think I have ever seen any such materials passed onto the web405 discussion list (as but one example), and having reviewed most all of the websites and discuss lists of the other North American ALSs, I can confidently report that most all of them are totally bereft of such (with a few notable exceptions). When the ALAC Review commences in earnest, I'm sure that we'll see this all properly documented. --- Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:
Danny:
I think your comments are after the fact. Randy's organization went through the at-large application process , which includes a due diligence review and discussion and approval by the at-large committee. it was approved, and as such is a certified at-large structure.
if you want to comment on the appropriateness or not of an accredited ALS, then please - don't just pick on one, but review and comment the entire list of other certified structures.
The list of ALS applications is available here - http:// alac.icann.org/applications/
Personally, Randy's views and those of his organization have been, and no doubt will continue to be useful and constructive. Yes it's from a slightly different perspective, but welcome none the less.
I look forward to their ongoing participation in the na-ralo and larger at-large community.
regards,
Robert --- Robert Guerra <rguerra@privaterra.ca> Managing Director, Privaterra Tel +1 416 893 0377
On 26-Jul-07, at 1:26 PM, Danny Younger wrote:
Randy,
You are an individual functioning as an ISP in Hawaii. You are also a domain name reseller for GoDaddy and Register.com, and you also manage a portfolio of over 900 monetized parking pages.
So, I understand where you are coming from... just like MarkMonitor that offers domain services for a niche community (the intellectual property folk), you are offering domain services that are marketed for the "domainers and Internet users in America".
The "at-large" has become your marketing vehicle, and apparently the most important thing that you took out of the San Juan experience was your complimentary membership with the .mobi folks.
I can accept all that as the basis for a view that promotes special-interest segments ahead of the unrepresented public interest segment.
What I can't accept is the notion that your organization properly belongs in the NARALO as an at-large organization. From what I have seen over the course of the last few years, you have no active membership. You have no articles posted by anyone other than yourself. You have no publicly archived discussion forums. You have no posted organizational minutes.
Summing it up, you're an individual with a financial interest in domain name activities that put up a website hoping to become an organization...
...I can understand that course of action; there are some long-time participants in the GNSO GA that have acted in similar fashion.
Frankly, there also have been many ALSs that are in the process for other than purely honorable reasons -- just look at all those European ALSs that signed up primarily to get their hands on travel funding for the earlier Athens IGF session; since they signed up they've contributed almost nothing to the At-Large process...
...but at least you contribute. I'm prepared to accept your contributions as an individual since the NARALO allows for individuals, but I'm having a hard time accepting the notion that AmericaAtLarge speaks for the broader at-large community.
regards, Danny
--- "RJGlass | America@Large" <jipshida@gmail.com> wrote:
Sure,
by 'constituency organizations,' I mean the Nomcom should be appointed by and made up of individuals found somewhere within the NARALO, ALAC, SSAC, RSSAC, TLG, ASO, GNSO, CCNSO, etc.
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