The sum and total of NCUC liaising is as follows. There's a few things going on behind the scenes with some additional proposals made in tandem with Milton's about user participation but it's premature to talk about those in a public forum: To: Brendler, Beau Attachments: Hi Beau, Thanks so much for the email and congratulations on your new role as liaison to NCUC. There is something that ALAC has done recently that I'd like to throw our support behind and work with ALAC on in the future: the issues report on post-expiration domain name recovery. If there is anything in particular NCUC can do to on this front, please let me know. Thanks again! Robin On Dec 8, 2008, at 8:26 AM, Brendler, Beau wrote:
Hello, Robin...
The ALAC has elected me (well, actually, I ran unopposed...) to be the new ALAC liaison to the NCUC. I wanted to get in touch with you and say hello after exchanging e-mails this morning with Milton. One of my duties is to prepare a monthly liaison report for the ALAC, and mine's due, so if there's anything in particular you want me to convey back to the ALAC, I'd be happy to do so.
I hope we get a chance to talk more in-depth and I hope I can be helpful to the process as the NCUC and ALAC evolve.
Regards,
Beau Brendler
(in my real life: Director, Consumer Reports WebWatch, http://www.consumerwebwatch.org http://www.badwarebusters.org http://www.frontgroups.org 101 Truman Avenue Yonkers, New York 10703 brenbe@consumer.org (914) 378-2018)
________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Danny Younger [dannyyounger@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:57 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] Today's ALAC Meeting Comments inserted: 1. Two of the North American elected reps were not in attendance (Beau and Robert). Beau sent through his apologies in advance of the meeting. <CLO> I trust they will still also post any reports or comments thay may have as that is after all the advantage of using a Wiki. <DANNY> Having both elected NA reps miss the monthly teleconference does not serve the needs of the NARALO. The ALAC has minimum participation requirements that are not being met and the ALAC Chair is not acting responsibly by shirking her obligation to deal with this ongoing problem. 2. Having neither seen apologies from Robert nor his monthly SSAC liaison report (as far as I know the last one he submitted was in May), the NARALO needs to decide on an appropriate course of action. <CLO> I did try to meet up with Robert when I spotted him at the IGF meeting Evan has full details on this as we have been working together on several matters including increased particpation in the ALAC of the NARALO <DANNY> We've heard this song and dance before. If a volunteer is no longer willing to do the work involved, then that volunteer should be asked to step down. The ALAC Chair has the right to ask for a resignation or to recommend a recall. Constant inaction is not the appropriate solution. 3. The ALAC heard from Pierre Dandjinou and Marilyn Cade of the PSC. <CLO> this excelent discussion which should assist the ALS's and RALO's further their thought and comments on the Vital subject will be copied from the recordong and be made available for your use in the three languages... Please take time to listed to this (and in fact the trascript of the meeting if you are confused by what is stated here between Danny and I) <DANNY> As these impromptu meetings always eat up valuable time in the ALAC's all-too brief meeting, perhaps the Chair in the future will organize separate teleconferences when these other groups wish to address the ALAC. 4. Staff failed to organize a briefing session on the RAA amendments as requested. <CLO> Note At-Large Staff have repeatedly tried tp organise it is OTHER ICANN Staff that has not managed... <DANNY> Staff is Staff, and we are getting screwed by ICANN Staff. If the registrars or registries wanted an urgent briefing on any topic, you can bet your last dollar that they would get their briefing and in a timely manner. 5. No NCUC nor ccTLD liaison report was provided. <CLO> No Meeting pf the ccNSO had been held since our last meeting. Not sure on NCUC Beau can answer this... <DANNY> The ccNSO posted their formal CAIRO minutes -- see http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/minutes-council-call-05nov08.pdf and Milton in the NCUC has been engaged in slamming the alternative Stakeholder Charter produced by Cheryl Preston. 6. No RALO reports were provided. <CLO> these need to be posted after their Dec meeting(s) most have not held one since the last ALAC Meeting and (EURALO was ealrier today I beleive) AND it was only then for Nov Meeting that this option was included in the Agenda <DANNY> I look forward to seeing the reports posted 7. No Working Group reports were provided <CLO> these need to be posted after their Dec meeting(s) most have not held one since the last ALAC Meeting and (EURALO was ealrier today I beleive) AND it was only AFTER the Nov Meeting that this option was included in the Agenda based on your request <DANNY> The Working Groups are a joke. But it should be fun watching the WG Chairs describe just how much "nothing" has been accomplished. 8. No ad-hoc committee reports were provided <CLO> these need to be posted after their Dec meeting(s) most have not held one since the last ALAC Meeting and (EURALO was ealrier today I beleive) AND it was only AFTER the Nov Meeting that this option was included in the Agenda based on your request <DANNY> The ad-hoc committees haven't met, haven't set up mailing lists, haven't reached out to the community -- business as usual. 9. No issues were raised for the ICANN Board meeting <CLO> the Public Participation was and there was specific instruction to what was to be said re new GNSO structure <DANNY> Of course, real user issues weren't on the agenda for discussion. All the folk that wrote into the RAA WG are getting no response from the ALAC and their concerns are not being brought to the board's attention. No one has bothered to comment on the new spate of domain name hijackings or on the domain name warehousing issues 10. The process for putting items on the ALAC agenda was not discussed <CLO> ExCom will be drafting some options <DANNY> Yet another layer in the byzantine mess associated with ALAC. 11. As no ALAC members are willing to discuss whether the proposed RAA amendment package should be approved by the GNSO, <CLO> We have had discussion before including last meeting and at Cairo which included the RALO reps... Time was limited and the issue was listed for Decision Not discussion any way... <DANNY> Three minutes at the last meeting is not a sufficient discussion. Taking decisions before a topic is properly vetted is foolhardy. the topic will be put up as a poll to ALAC members (who can click on a choice without having to otherwise express their views). Alan Greenberg continued to press forward with his opinion that the RAA amendements package (unacceptable to most of us as a whole) should be accepted as a complete package. <CLO> your NARALO views can be reflected in the votes of your Reps I would have thought... That is the machanism is it not? <DANNY> Gosh, that probably depends on (1) whether our reps will even participate and (2) whether they will respect the view of the NARALO and (3) whether the NonCom rep is bound by NARALO decisions (he isn't). 12. The other topics on the agenda that could not be discussed will in similar fashion be taken to a polling process and once again we will not hear any ALAC member discussion of these topics nor will we likely see any on-line discussion. <CLO> those listed for decision come to the vote Discussion shou;d come earlier And we have to deal with limited time in meetings LOTS of close deadlines and the idea with the PSC discussion which I assume you felt was valid is to help prep the ALS's and RALO's do *their* policy development / comment work which is wher we all need to get to is it not? <DANNY> In other communities, items aren't put up for decision just days before a scheduled meeting. Other communities inform their memberships of the items going up for decision well in advance of a vote. With your insane process no one ever knows what's going on until the last possible minute, and there is no real opportunity for RALO or ALS feedback. 13. Vanda Scartezini was nominated to serve on the GNSO's Operational Steering Committee (OSC) Working Group <CLO> please also note the advance notice to RALO's and ALS's that the ensuing WG's from this will require their involvement and it is there that the real work gets done 14. The ALAC continues to pretend that there is a process in place for receipt of local and regional comments on new gTLDs, and will collect these non-existent ALS comments and will produce yet another Statement reflecting the views of one or two people by the end of the extended comment period. <CLO> RALO's are the main aggregation point they are made up of the ALS's RALO's are the primary pont these comments are relevent to... Summit is a facilitation tool in all this any chance you might allow us to see what happens after that? <DANNY> Sure. In the meantime please feel free to draft more Statements that aren't based on any public feedback. 15. Once again the ALAC was barely quorate with almost half of their members not attending the meeting. <CLO> regretable but we were quorate that is what matters obviously I'd prefer a full house... Going to poll fpr the decisions by the way allows for higher participation does it not... <DANNY> Wonderful... just have your members check off the boxes without any discussion whatsoever... and keep us updated when a user issue actually sneaks through by accident on your ALAC list. 16. The newly ratified ALAC Executive Committee put forward no report. <CLO> like the letter to the Board that is on my dead laptop it will be posted... 17. The ALAC Letter to the Board on Public Participation was finally posted today. 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