Robert, (changed subject line) Yes, clearly RALOs and ALSs exist. I am trying to move beyond the questioning of their relevance, impotence, etc... by suggesting that regardless of particular views on that question, the effort that is most needed by the At Large Community is developing capacity and constituency to address the public interest (which is not monolithic, and is grounded in and constituted by informed discourse). This can be undertaken now by the At Large Community, and if possible the ALSs/RALOs should pioneer that (and coordinate with each other). And if such formal entities will not, those who are most committed to the vision of At Large could still move forward with such organizing such resources. As we form the NA RALO the question foremost in our mind should be how we establish a vehicle for energy go towards expanding the constituency and being effective at upholding the public interest. Sorry if that was not clear. -Michael On 4/15/07, Mr. Robert Guerra <lists@privaterra.info> wrote:
Michael:
The questions you ask are good, but ALS and RALO already exist. Perhaps it might be worthwhile to get the opinion of those who have already gone through the process - and have committed to be involved in the structures that currently exist.
As well, I encourage you (and others on the worldwide At-large list) to comment on the proposed Terms of Reference that will guide the independent review of ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee. The public comment period will last from 30 March 2007 to 29 April 2007. Details @
http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-2-30mar07.htm
regards,
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On 15-Apr-07, at 7:57 PM, Michael Maranda wrote:
Coming into the whole question of "why have ALS and RALOs to begin with", and the uncertainty of what could be put in an MOU that would be agreed to, and then meaningful, let along enforceable is a major challenge, and sets things on a strange footing.
The large points are whether the public interest holds much weight in ICANN decisions and in terms of regulation of their own processes (and enforcement of policy) - and whether individuals and other small entities who make use of and increasingly depend upon the Internet.
It would be good to map out the gaps in accountability that are currently present... (quite an undertaking, I am sure) and while it may sound a naive proposal, I think such a framing makes things very clear to a wider audience.
Who can we depend upon to generate such a map? What point of entry can we make for the newcomer to these questions? How can we use information/communications technologies to facilitate that and to increase the strength of an at-large community?
What expertise do we have in regard to these questions, and what advice has been sought?
That's where our focus should be directed: building our capacity to really represent the at large community - to inform them and to show that we have the weight of the world behind us. (Not on top of us)
I see the various tools established for At Large and RALO use. Who controls them? Will it remain that way? Do they serve our interest? What would better serve to be a place to aggregate the issues and voices of the public at large?
-MM
On 4/15/07, RJGlass | America@Large <jipshida@gmail.com> wrote: There should be some accountability in the process.
Randy Glass A@L
On 4/14/07, At-Large Staff <staff@alac.icann.org > wrote:Dear North American ALS colleagues:
Please find below the clarification promised on the status of MoUs with ICANN, and the view of the GC on the proposal by Wendy Seltzer on enforceability of the MoUs.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Daniel Halloran < daniel.halloran@icann.org> Date: 12-Apr-2007 23:28 Subject: Legal Status of ICANN RALO MOUs To: Nick Ashton-Hart < nick.ashton-hart@icann.org> Cc: Sue Jonklaas < sue.jonklaas@icann.org>
Nick,
You asked about the legal status of the MOUs that ICANN enters with its regional at-large organizations. Pursuant to ICANN Bylaws Article XI, Section 2.4g <http://www.icann.org/general/ bylaws.htm#XI-2.4g>, ICANN's RALO MOUs are intended to address the "the respective roles and responsibilities of ICANN and the RALO regarding the process for selecting ALAC members and requirements of openness, participatory opportunities, transparency, accountability, and diversity in the RALO's structure and procedures, as well as criteria and standards for the RALO's constituent At-Large Structures."
The RALO MOUs were not intended to be "enforced" in courts of law -- they do not include jurisdiction or dispute resolution language. They are intended only to document the structure and processes of these advice formulation and coordination organizations. It would probably not be prudent for either ICANN or the RALOs to structure these relationships in a way that would expose ICANN or the RALOs to potential liability and increased risk of litigation from non-parties to these agreements.
I hope this information is helpful. Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Best regards, Dan Halloran
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