I'm flabbergasted by this list of ccTLDs run from the US. Where did it come from? As the registry liaison for COCCA, council of country code administrators, (which provides EPP registry software and other services for admins at cost as a service to the cctld community) I know the following ccTLDs are run IN country by locals with the blessings of their local community and under agreement with their government: .gy .ht .ms .na .ng .ph .pr .sb The following operators under authority of their governments are run in country but have their servers outside to ensure stability as they are either post-conflict or don't have the necessary infrastructure in place (T1 line etc): .cx : satellite .gs : no infrastructure .ki : satellite .mu : by govt agreement .tl : post conflict These operators who are working toward implementing robust systems in country: .ve .eg And .ae is run in country on AusRegistry's system. Hope that clears things up. Elaine Pruis
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 10:04:03 -0700 From: "Garth Bruen at KnujOn" <gbruen@knujon.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement To: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Message-ID: <20091003100403.4ea5342b4f0c5bb9c50429b56f1eb1a7.70ca1c2796.wbe@email.secureserver.net>
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Thanks Danny,
There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story.
Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather for Los Angeles.
List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.:
Albania (.al) Andorra (.ad) Antarctica (.aq) Armenia (.am) Azerbaijan (.az) Bahamas (.bs) Botswana (.bw) Canada (.ca) Catalonia (.cat) Central African Republic (.cf) Chile (.cl) Christmas Island (.cx) Costa Rica (.cr) Cuba (.cu) Cyprus (.cy) East Timor(.tl) Egypt (.eg) Fiji (.fj) Ghana (.gh) Guinea (.gn) Guyana (.gy) Haiti (.ht) Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) Hong Kong (.hk) Iceland (.is) Israel (.il) Kiribati (.ki) Lebanon (.lb) Lesotho (.ls) Lesotho (.ls) Liberia (.lr) Liechtenstein (.li) Malawi (.mw) Maldives (.mv) Mali (.ml) Malta (.mt) Mauritius (.mu) Moldova (.md) Montserrat (.ms) Namibia (.na) Nauru (.nr) Nepal (.np) Netherlands (.nl) Nigeria (.ng) Palestine (.ps) Philippines (.ph) Pitcairn Islands (.pn) Portugal (.pt) Puerto Rico (.pr) Saudi Arabia (.sa) Serbia (.rs) Solomon Islands (.sb) South Africa (.za) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) Sri Lanka (.lk) Swaziland (.sz) Switzerland (.ch) Tanzania (.tz) Thailand (.th) Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) Tunisia (.tn) Ukraine (.ua) United Arab Emirates (.ae) Uruguay (.uy) Venezuela (.ve)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[excerpted from the governance list]
LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation
To the international community
By this note, we would like to inform the international community about the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this situation.
The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP addresses can be executed through from other public or private institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding regulations will be issued."
Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL."
The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf), which explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is being recognized as a pioneer in the region.
The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS is due to its local and international community on the Internet.
In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is based on existing contractual agreements and relationships.
LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet resources.
LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between two sides in order to solve this delicate situation.
Sincerely,
Council of LACTLD Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:27:10 -0400 From: Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Civic Representation in ICANN: What Now? - ISOC-NY Forum @ NYU 10/8/09 To: Beau Brendler <beaubrendler@earthlink.net> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org>, NA Discuss <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Message-ID: <313b48d0910031227g316ea667p54bc150767d0159e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
We could mention your position title at NARSAD?
The biographical stuff is accurate but incomplete, in that I left Consumers Union at the end of May, after eight years, and am now at NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. I am no longer with a consumer organization, though I do continue in consumer journalism, writing a column for AOL's Money and Finance section (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/bloggers/beau-brendler/). It was not necessarily a recent proposal to establish a consumer constituency -- I wrote the initial proposal back in February, I think. It's since been heavily rewritten and re-submitted to recast some presuppositions and correct some inaccuracies.
Beau Brendler is a journalist and consumer activist who takes a particular interest in Internet affairs. He was a founder and editorial director of ABCNews.com before moving to a full time position at the Consumers Union in 2001 where he launched Consumer WebWatch. He now NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. He is an active member of the ICANN Community and serves on the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) . He has proposed the establishment of a Consumer Constituency within the Generic Names Supporting Organization (GNSO).
As for this paragraph: However some members ? of both the NCUC and At-Large ? with particular
axes to grind, are keen on a plan that will permit them to represent their interests in the GNSO without having to carry the NCUC with them.
Other constituencies have come forward with the intent to participate within the NCSG framework, independently of NCUC.
(Thanks Evan!)
And those three seats are no longer placeholders, the board has chosen candidates for them.
On the NCSG front: 3 seats have been allotted to the NCUC and the other 3, pending formation of new constituencies, have been filled by appointees of the ICANN Structural Improvement Committee,
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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:24:17 -0400 From: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Message-ID: <205e3f360910040924u42fcb8dahff7b95c0f3a54542@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Garth:
What does it mean that the ccTLD's are completely or partly run from the U.S? Are you referring to the hardware equipment or the actual administration of the ccTLD business, or boths?
In the case of Puerto Rico everything is done under the jurisdiction of the US for our political relationship with them.
Can you clarify the other?. Thanks.
-ed
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com>wrote:
Thanks Danny,
There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story.
Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather for Los Angeles.
List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.:
Albania (.al) Andorra (.ad) Antarctica (.aq) Armenia (.am) Azerbaijan (.az) Bahamas (.bs) Botswana (.bw) Canada (.ca) Catalonia (.cat) Central African Republic (.cf) Chile (.cl) Christmas Island (.cx) Costa Rica (.cr) Cuba (.cu) Cyprus (.cy) East Timor(.tl) Egypt (.eg) Fiji (.fj) Ghana (.gh) Guinea (.gn) Guyana (.gy) Haiti (.ht) Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) Hong Kong (.hk) Iceland (.is) Israel (.il) Kiribati (.ki) Lebanon (.lb) Lesotho (.ls) Lesotho (.ls) Liberia (.lr) Liechtenstein (.li) Malawi (.mw) Maldives (.mv) Mali (.ml) Malta (.mt) Mauritius (.mu) Moldova (.md) Montserrat (.ms) Namibia (.na) Nauru (.nr) Nepal (.np) Netherlands (.nl) Nigeria (.ng) Palestine (.ps) Philippines (.ph) Pitcairn Islands (.pn) Portugal (.pt) Puerto Rico (.pr) Saudi Arabia (.sa) Serbia (.rs) Solomon Islands (.sb) South Africa (.za) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) Sri Lanka (.lk) Swaziland (.sz) Switzerland (.ch) Tanzania (.tz) Thailand (.th) Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) Tunisia (.tn) Ukraine (.ua) United Arab Emirates (.ae) Uruguay (.uy) Venezuela (.ve)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[excerpted from the governance list]
LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation
To the international community
By this note, we would like to inform the international community about the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this situation.
The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP addresses can be executed through from other public or private institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding regulations will be issued."
Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL."
The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf), which explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is being recognized as a pioneer in the region.
The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS is due to its local and international community on the Internet.
In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is based on existing contractual agreements and relationships.
LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet resources.
LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between two sides in order to solve this delicate situation.
Sincerely,
Council of LACTLD Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association
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I concur. This list is useless without some definition of what is being included. I would be shocked if the definition is anything like what reasonable people would consider as being run int he US.The vast majority on this list are run wholly in their country, so I can only imagine the criteria for being on this list as being something substantially overreaching. Perhaps the definition of "run from the US" is merely having one of the authoritative name servers in the USA, or that they have accredited a registrar that is based in the USA.
Also, FWIW, .cat is not a ccTLD, and does not represent Catalonia.
kim
On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
Garth:
What does it mean that the ccTLD's are completely or partly run from the U.S? Are you referring to the hardware equipment or the actual administration of the ccTLD business, or boths?
In the case of Puerto Rico everything is done under the jurisdiction of the US for our political relationship with them.
Can you clarify the other?. Thanks.
-ed
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Garth Bruen at KnujOn <gbruen@knujon.com
wrote:
Thanks Danny,
There are many ccTLDs not directly controlled by the actual country, some by choice, but maybe not if their citizens knew the whole story.
Among the more egregious examples are Moldova (.MD) which is run by someone in New Jersey and used to market "medical professional" sites and Laos (.LA) which is used as the TLD for "Los Angeles", go the the .LA root site and there is nothing about Laos rather traffic and weather for Los Angeles.
List of ccTLDs completely or partly run from the U.S.:
Albania (.al) Andorra (.ad) Antarctica (.aq) Armenia (.am) Azerbaijan (.az) Bahamas (.bs) Botswana (.bw) Canada (.ca) Catalonia (.cat) Central African Republic (.cf) Chile (.cl) Christmas Island (.cx) Costa Rica (.cr) Cuba (.cu) Cyprus (.cy) East Timor(.tl) Egypt (.eg) Fiji (.fj) Ghana (.gh) Guinea (.gn) Guyana (.gy) Haiti (.ht) Heard Island and McDonald Islands (.hm) Hong Kong (.hk) Iceland (.is) Israel (.il) Kiribati (.ki) Lebanon (.lb) Lesotho (.ls) Lesotho (.ls) Liberia (.lr) Liechtenstein (.li) Malawi (.mw) Maldives (.mv) Mali (.ml) Malta (.mt) Mauritius (.mu) Moldova (.md) Montserrat (.ms) Namibia (.na) Nauru (.nr) Nepal (.np) Netherlands (.nl) Nigeria (.ng) Palestine (.ps) Philippines (.ph) Pitcairn Islands (.pn) Portugal (.pt) Puerto Rico (.pr) Saudi Arabia (.sa) Serbia (.rs) Solomon Islands (.sb) South Africa (.za) South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (.gs) Sri Lanka (.lk) Swaziland (.sz) Switzerland (.ch) Tanzania (.tz) Thailand (.th) Trinidad and Tobago (.tt) Tunisia (.tn) Ukraine (.ua) United Arab Emirates (.ae) Uruguay (.uy) Venezuela (.ve)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [NA-Discuss] LACTLD Statement From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, September 29, 2009 7:15 am To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[excerpted from the governance list]
LACTLD Statement on ccTLD. HN situation
To the international community
By this note, we would like to inform the international community about the current situation in the ccTLD .HN, which is managed by RDS-HN, associated member of LACTLD , organization that informs us about this situation.
The current Honduran government has informed RDS-HN that it must hand over the ccTLD operation due to Article 79B of the Reglament of the Telecommunications Act (of the year 2002). This rule says that "CONATEL controls the regulation and administration of the domains and IP directions within the national territory. CONATEL will be able to take the necessary measures so that the administration of domains and IP addresses can be executed through from other public or private institutions, for which agreements will be signed and the corresponding regulations will be issued."
Last Friday, and based in the above-mentioned article, national authorities arrived at the ccTLD. hn office stating: "Until now, CONATEL has not signed any agreement with any public or private entity. Therefore it is necessary to order the institution, which has been managing and delegating domains. HN, to suspend the management immediately, given that it develops outside the provisions of Article 79B of the Reglament of the Framework Law for Telecommunications Sector". In the same way, they order ccTLD .HN "1. To immediately suspend all activities related to registration and delegation of new domain names under the domain .HN, and 2. To hand a list of domains .HN and records, that the institution have been conferred, to CONATEL."
The Red de Desarrollo Sostenible - RDS (Sustainable Development Network) http://www.rds.org.hn maintains the operation of ccTLD. hn since April 1993, date when this organization received this delegation and, in July 2006, signed an Accountability Framework with ICANN (http://www.icann.org/en/cctlds/hn/hn-icann-af-20jul06.pdf), which explicitly recognizes that relationship and work. Furthermore, RDS is also a leading civil society organization that facilitates connectivity to Honduras as well as provides various tools and services to the community of Honduras and Central America and, for this reason, RDS is being recognized as a pioneer in the region.
The management and operation of the DNS follow internationally accepted and recognized processes, primarily based on RFC 1591 . Because of the stability importance of the Internet global system and ccTLD work, RDS is due to its local and international community on the Internet.
In addition, we indicate that the action that tries to carry out CONATEL is against of the constitutional guarantees and the guarantees of the Pact of San Jos? de Costa Rica. Therefore, it violates the relationship that has been conducted peacefully and technically efficient and is based on existing contractual agreements and relationships.
LACTLD expresses its strong concern regarding the events that have unfolded in the request made by the Government of Honduras to take in a sudden and abrupt way the operation .HN due to the fact that it will be detrimental to the users of domain name system in Honduras which primarily require stability for the adequate access of Internet resources.
LACTLD is committed with its partners and members, and primarily seeks to maintain the stability of the Domain Name System for the correct running of the Internet. We hope that the wisdom will prevail between two sides in order to solve this delicate situation.
Sincerely,
Council of LACTLD Latin American and Caribbean ccTLD Association
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