That isn't exactly a fair division of time in any way at all. Beings that whether I am physically at a meeting or not, I am still participating remotely. Also, I do not have a difficulty with travel all of the time. However, your idea of divvying responsibilities according to time is totally reasonable. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thomas Lowenhaupt [toml@communisphere.com] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie Perhaps we might consider a divvying of responsibilities via time division. One of the candidates has indicated a difficulty with travel, while another seems to excel in communicating the events at the ICANN meetings. So one takes the burden during ICANN meetings and the other between meetings? Best, Tom Lowenhaupt On 7/27/2013 3:50 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
Thanks Darlene. There is no question that we need a obust set of rules that can handle situations such as this. The only immediate question, as I outlined in my earlier note, is do we need them for THIS election.
Alan
At 27/07/2013 03:18 PM, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Thank you Bob,
Along this line, when NARALO was still new and nobody really knew what they were doing, Luc and I did just fine sharing responsibilities. We e-mailed back and forth a lot and just decided between us who would do what. It was pretty easy.
NARALO has now grown a lot, as have the people within it. Each person brings their own talents and skills to the table. I think that Glenn and my talents are diverse enough that we should be able to divvy up the workload and actually be able to grow more initiatives for the region - each taking the lead in what they prefer or where their skills are. I am quite flexible and would, of course, do everything I can to make it work - as I always do. I do not think that we need the job to be "codified" as it is constantly changing as per the needs of the group.
Having said that, I would also be in favour of the tie-breaker solution offered by the 3 ALAC members but my preference will always be to try to grow and expand the talent pool in the region.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Bob Bruen [bruen@coldrain.net] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 12:24 PM To: Thomas Lowenhaupt Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie
Hi,
Darlene has been at this job for long enough to know what to do. I expect that she and Glenn could figure out how to share the responsibilities, then let us know. They are both reasonable adults. If there is a problem, I am sure the Chair could be helpful in settling it.
--bob
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
I think the shared responsibility can work. But we must define specific responsibilities and metrics for each co-secretary. These metrics will be quite helpful when the next election comes along, at least in evaluating the performance of the cos.
Tom Lowenhaupt
On 7/27/2013 11:37 AM, Skuce, Allan wrote:
I still prefer #3. What an opportunity to grow, lead by example, and deal with the great workload. Cheers, Allan
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Dharma Dailey <dharma.dailey@gmail.com>wrote:
Have we reached clarity on whether folks feel the job can be shared? The last message from Glenn, I recall, was along the lines of "looking into it." It might be easier on all parties if some of the details were discussed before hand so no one is surprised re: who is doing what.
Dharma
On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:44 PM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@GOV.NU.CA> wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to encourage all NARALO members to consider the options that Evan has posited below and respond to same. Without consensus we cannot move forward on this issue. Thank you for your time on this!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Evan Leibovitch [ evan@telly.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 4:44 PM To: NARALO Discussion List Subject: [NA-Discuss] Building consensus on dealing with the election tie
Hello all,
I would like to suggest conducting a poll of NARALO members on the best way to deal with the tie for Secretariat resulting from the recently-held vote. While we need to revise our regulations regarding tie-breaking, we have an immediate need to resolve the current situation before the next ICANN meeting.
Based on discussions I have heard to date, there are three paths to resolving this that have received some interest:
1. Random tie-break The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held, and the rules are modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a random method, supervised by at least two non-candidate members and/or At-Large staff.
2. Tie-break by NA-Region ALAC members The votes for ALSs and unaffiliated members is re-held and he rules are modified. If another tie results, the tie is broken by a consensus achieved in private by the three ALAC members for North America (Alan, Eduardo and myself). Since there are three of us, no deadlock is allowed there
3. Shared Secretariat No new election is held, and NARALO declares both Darlene and Glenn as co-Secretariats. While there is no precedent for this in NARALO, there is elsewhere in ICANN At-Large (both co-Chair and co-Secretariats have been done in other regions). The two would alternate travel to ICANN meetings (though both would naturally be at the Summit in London). In the case that any of the North American At-Large leadership cannot attend a meeting (Chair, travel-designated secretariat or ALAC member), the "non-travelling" secretariat member would automatically be designated to take that travel allocation. The rules may still be modified in case of future ties, but such action is not required immediately.
So I am proposing that, in advance of the next NARALO call, we could do an informal poll of members (by Bigpulse or Doodle) to gain a sense of preferences between these options that may help guide a regional consensus on the August call.
Is this a workable plan? Are the options above a valid representation of the ones discussed? (There are some other tie-break methods I have eliminated because of lack of support to date).
I admit that when I started thinking about the tie I had not given any thought to the shared secretariat idea, but it has grown on me since. There is a significant amount of work to do, and it would be IMO a shame to force an all-or-nothing tiebreak on two people with both popular support and an eagerness to do the job.
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