I'm not sure that I am getting what Wendy is saying exactly right but if what she is suggesting is that the non-affiliated users have equal voting as all of the ALSs combined, then I would NEVER agree to that. What Jean was outlining seems much more reasonable. Basically, an umbrella ALS for unaffiliated users that can make up its own rules (or lack thereof) for entry and have two votes along-side the other ALSs. This could actually encourage more ALS formation as individuals might clump together along the lines of common interest groups and form their own ALSs in time. Darlene Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Department of Education/N-CAP c/o P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-6531 Fax: (867) 979-8870 dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 6:41 AM To: NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Staff Review of Draft MoU Terms Mr. Robert Guerra wrote:
Jean:
On 28-May-07, at 4:09 PM, Jean Armour Polly wrote:
- Individual who is interested in joining NA at large would have thus two options:
- (1) Can join an organization that has been ALS certified. The organization in question has their own procedures as to how to join, etc..
- (2) instead of joining an affiliated organization, and individual can contact the NA "unaffiliated" ALS.
Actually, there are 3 options-- a minimum of two people can join together and can create another ALS-applicant if they want. ALAC isn't getting out of the ALS-blessing business, and I don't believe it has ever happened that an ALS with individual members (note plural) has been turned down.
you are right. submitting a ALS application is always an option. I mistakenly forgot to include it
At this point , there are two options:
1. Have a set of criteria on who can/can not joing the virtual group. If criteria exist:
- Application (that would have to be drafted) would be reviewed by NA "unaffiliated" ALS chairs (s), who would process and/or approve the application request.
If approved the regional RALO, ALAC and ICANN staff would be notified that individual is now a full member of the NA "unaffiliated" ALS
The ALS chairs and the virtual NA "unaffiliated" group would of course be able to change and/or revise their working methods as they see fit. What I am suggesting is a possible first version - that would be subject to review in a year.
With criteria, the virtual group would be less vulnerable to capture by interested parties
Interested parties I'm quite sure would form their own ALS. I am surprised ALAC hasn't seen an application yet from, say, Focus on the Family-- since they were so vocal about the .xxx TLD. Maybe they just don't realize yet that they could be an ALS and get 2 votes in the NARALO.
An indicator of success will be when such organizations identify ALS's as a point of entry. that hasn't happened yet, however it may in the future.
getting back to the issue at hand , that being the proposal to create a virtual "unaffiliated" ALS for the NA region. is the proposal I mentioned earlier and clarified above seem ok? Wendy - have you any reservations and/or things to add?
I much prefer the option where both means of participation are placed on equal footing, as two parallel houses. Then, we have the opportunity to compare and contrast the kinds of input received through an organizationally-structured participation and through direct participation. I do not see that there need to be heavyweight certifications for individual participation. Let's wait and see -- if it becomes apparent that people are trying to capture the RALO, then we'll deal with the problem, but we shouldn't let the mere possibility derail a more open participatory structure. --Wendy -- Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@seltzer.org phone: +1.617.418.3456 / +44 (0)1865 287203 // cell: 07785 550361 Visiting Fellow, Oxford Internet Institute Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet & Society http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/seltzer.html http://www.chillingeffects.org/ _______________________________________________ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org --- Draft MoU with ICANN: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_MOU Draft Operating Principles: http://www.icannwiki.org/NA_RALO_OP Draft Code of Conduct: http://www.icannwiki.org/NARALO_Code_of_Conduct