I move for an end to useless banter on all NARALO email groups. RJGlass A@L ________________________________ From: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@gmail.com> To: Avri Doria <avri@ella.com> Cc: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Conference Call Attendance! See my responses inline -Carlton On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Avri Doria <avri@ella.com> wrote:

hi,

I think that ratio is rather good. And I asked because I did not know.

Carlton: I do not understand the reference to priests.

Worshipful folks come to church but he, the priest, stands between them and salvation...and he's supposed to bring them to salvation! Meaning, if it takes me to remind you what you committed to when you signed up, it makes for longer volunteer hours for me and likely detract from the main reason I was willing to volunteer in the first place. ....and you probably should not have bothered!

But then again I do not understand the differentiation people are making between a job one does for money and one that one does as a volunteer.  I always thought I need to bring the same level of devotion to both - if anything, perhaps even a bit more goes to the volunteer job because I am doing it because I think it is needed and I want to and not just because someone is giving me money.

Agreed.  And time, for me, is money!  So I'm minded not to fritter it away, calling up, reminding folks that 'hey, you signed up for this job. Now get up and look lively'!.

And no, please before anyone jumps at me defensively, this is not meant as either a VolunteerBash or a StaffBash*.

avri

* An aside: is it possibe to disagree with or criticise a member of ICANN staff without being accused of StaffBashing?

I'm sure you can!  But with respect to At-Large Staff and IMHO, they go beyond duty to be helpful. I say this as one who could not function without support of former staff members from positions I've held, in both corporate and academia lives.  They know they have me for life. And in return, they are absolutely dependable!

On 22 Jul 2012, at 21:16, Carlton Samuels wrote:

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Hey Darlene: I'm following the discussion and just to contextualize your note, let not your heart be troubled.  Instead, take pride in 10-14 people regularly - regularly! - on a telecon! This, from a 22-member RALO!

To compare, my own RALO has 37 ALS. We set the quorum for a teleconference to a bottom feeding 8.  And I can't tell you how many times we struggle to have a quorate telecon.

You can well imagine how this works without an understand of what consensus decision-making means, in practice.

...and why this idea that my job - in a voluntary association! - ought to be akin that of a priest leaves me cold!

- Carlton

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 AM, <na-discuss-<na-discuss-request@atlarge-lists.icann.org>

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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:19:35 +0000 From: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@GOV.NU.CA> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ? To: Avri Doria <avri@ella.com>, NA-Discuss Discuss         <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org>

Hey Avri,

We regular,y get 10 - 14 people on our conference calls.  If you can suggest a way to get more I would love to hear it!

D

Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU  X0A 0H0 Phone:  (867) 975-5631 Fax:  (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Avri Doria [ avri@ella.com] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:36 PM To: NA-Discuss Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Voting None of the Above Re: ?

Hi,

Doesn't this mean we really need to do outreach to the ALS that form the RALO to make sure that at least those organizations that have heard of ICANN and joined a RALO, are frequently invited into the discussion?

  And I

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know it isn't easy.

We seem to have 22 ALSes in NARALO. How many participate in meeting? in votes?

avri

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