Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
Hello fellow NARALOers, I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman. It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto. At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/2009/0... Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto/ I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered. The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged. I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC. - Evan
OMG This is absolutely insane (I just read the blog). I would definitely (in my personal capacity) endorse this complaint going to the Ombudsman. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM To: NA Discuss; Stacy Hoffberg Subject: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman Hello fellow NARALOers, I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman. It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto. At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/20 09/000797.html Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto / I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered. The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged. I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC. - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
This is un-aceptable if it happened as written in the blog. Please count us in the complain. Eduardo Diaz ISOC-PR On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca>wrote:
OMG
This is absolutely insane (I just read the blog). I would definitely (in my personal capacity) endorse this complaint going to the Ombudsman.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM To: NA Discuss; Stacy Hoffberg Subject: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
Hello fellow NARALOers,
I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman.
It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto.
At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/20 09/000797.html<http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/20%0A0...>
Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto /
I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered.
The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged.
I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC.
- Evan
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I concur. Go ahead and file the complaint. It's time to find out whether ICANN's accountability measures actually have any teeth. regards, Danny --- On Tue, 9/8/09, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman To: "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson@gov.nu.ca> Cc: "Stacy Hoffberg" <stacy.hoffberg@icann.org>, "NA Discuss" <na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 11:33 AM This is un-aceptable if it happened as written in the blog. Please count us in the complain.
Eduardo Diaz ISOC-PR
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Thompson, Darlene <DThompson@gov.nu.ca>wrote:
OMG
This is absolutely insane (I just read the blog). I would definitely (in my personal capacity) endorse this complaint going to the Ombudsman.
D
Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca
-----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 11:13 AM To: NA Discuss; Stacy Hoffberg Subject: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman
Hello fellow NARALOers,
I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman.
It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto.
At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/20 09/000797.html<http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/20%0A0...>
Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto /
I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered.
The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged.
I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC.
- Evan
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Thanks for the quick answers from Danny, Darlene and Eduardo. I still hope to hear from more of you. I've removed Stacy from the Cc list. She's now well aware of what's going on. I've been to the Ombudsman's complaint form (https://omb.icann.org/portal/complaint.php). It appears intended to accept complaints from individuals, not organized bodies. And its form doesn't seem to allow more than small spaces for details, so I might just mail it to Frank directly. - Evan
Awesome - of course, if there is room on the form, it might be good to state even the names of the people from NARALO that are supporting the complaint. D Darlene A. Thompson Community Access Program Administrator Nunavut Dept. of Education / N-CAP P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 E-mail: dthompson@gov.nu.ca -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Evan Leibovitch Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:09 PM To: Danny Younger Cc: Thompson, Darlene; NA Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] Lodging a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman Thanks for the quick answers from Danny, Darlene and Eduardo. I still hope to hear from more of you. I've removed Stacy from the Cc list. She's now well aware of what's going on. I've been to the Ombudsman's complaint form (https://omb.icann.org/portal/complaint.php). It appears intended to accept complaints from individuals, not organized bodies. And its form doesn't seem to allow more than small spaces for details, so I might just mail it to Frank directly. - Evan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss_atlarge-lists .icann.org Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Awesome - of course, if there is room on the form, it might be good to state even the names of the people from NARALO that are supporting the complaint.
I'm hoping to get enough of consensus to be able to say this was endorsed by the region. I'd also like to get ALAC behind it. This may not be something time sensitive, so it can just go on the agenda for next week's conference call. In the meantime I'm looking for more feedback. Just as a reminder... I'm not trying to get endorsement of Richard's statement ... you don't know him and there are always multiple sides to a story. What I'm asking for is endorsement of my complaint of secrecy / non-notice, as well as the premise that Richard's testimony is serious enough to warrant further investigation. I'm also waiting for Richard to reply to mail I sent him, asking if he's OK with providing further details if requested. - Evan
Evan, Perhaps we'll all be better off by escalating the matter beyond the office of the Ombudsman. ICANN's formal Reconsideration Request process puts the matter into the hands of the board, and the process is designed to deal with "actions or inactions by ICANN Staff". As of 3 February 2009, Reconsideration Requests are the responsibility of the Board Governance Committee. How to file a request for reconsideration: Requests for reconsideration must contain at least the following information: a. name, address, and contact information for the requesting party, including postal and e-mail addresses; b. the specific action or inaction of ICANN for which review or reconsideration is sought; c. the date of the action or inaction; d. the manner by which the requesting party will be affected by the action or inaction; e. the extent to which, in the opinion of the party submitting the Request for Reconsideration, the action or inaction complained of adversely affects others; f. whether a temporary stay of any action complained of is requested, and if so, the harms that will result if the action is not stayed; g. in the case of staff action or inaction, a detailed explanation of the facts as presented to the staff and the reasons why the staff's action or inaction was inconsistent with established ICANN policy(ies); h. in the case of Board action or inaction, a detailed explanation of the material information not considered by the Board and, if the information was not presented to the Board, the reasons the party submitting the request did not submit it to the Board before it acted or failed to act; i. what specific steps the requesting party asks ICANN to take-i.e., whether and how the action should be reversed, cancelled, or modified, or what specific action should be taken; j. the grounds on which the requested action should be taken; and k. any documents the requesting party wishes to submit in support of its request. The above information must be submitted by e-mail to reconsider@icann.org. Requests will be publicly posted.
On 8 Sep 2009 at 8:52, "Danny Younger" <Danny Younger <dannyyounger@yahoo.com>> wrote:
I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice.
I have requested an independent review of ICANN's (non)compliance with the requirment of the bylaws that ICANN *and its subsidiary bodies* operate with the *maximum extent feasible* of transparency: http://hasbrouck.org/icann I made that request on 8 April 2005. That request remains pending, and has not been acted on by ICANN, after more than 4 years. ---------------- Edward Hasbrouck <edward@hasbrouck.org> <http://hasbrouck.org> +1-415-824-0214
Dear All: I think I should reply here with respect to two points: 1) Craig did respond in detail as Evan has noted here, and previously. I will forward his reply to you after this email. 2) Stacy has not replied because I told her that Craig and I would pick up this issue; it really does not have anything to do with her as she's the meeting planner, she does not decide who does and does not come to ICANN meetings. Evan, you may recall in our call recently I mentioned both of these points. Please, all, Stacy does a lot of things, but dealing with this issue is not one of them. It serves no purpose to continue copying her on emails related to this; she's not ignoring anyone, she's busy planning Seoul. With respect to the particular incident below, I should not comment, as I was not there. Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Hello fellow NARALOers,
I would like to ask for the help -- or at least the endorsement -- of others within NARALO regarding the lodging of a complaint with the ICANN Ombudsman.
It's regarding the fact that ICANN regional meetings for registrars and registries are closed to the public, specifically the one that was recently held in Toronto.
At first I thought this was simply an issue of notification -- that ICANN staff deliberately withheld meeting notice. I sent a message to the ALAC mailing list in this regard -- if you don't have the old mail you can find it archived at http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac_atlarge-lists.icann.org/2009/0...
Today I found out that it was worse than that -- that an ICANN-savvy person, Richard Sexton, was at the meeting but forcably removed (ie, ICANN staff called security). The details on this are at Richard's website: http://rs79.vrx.net/works/observations/dns/events/icann/meetings/toronto/
I have received an email from Craig Schwartz, who ran the meeting, with a personal committment to do better in the future. I requested that such a commitment be made public but have not heard any response yet. Repeated emails and phone calls to Stacy -- and even a plea with Nick, when he was down in California, to ask her to call me, have been unanswered.
The new knowledge -- that the only member of the public to show up at the meeting was forcably evicted -- makes this more than an error of omission, and significantly more serious than I originally alleged.
I would like the input of others here, especially those with some ICANN history who can offer some advice. I'm getting more angry about this rather than less. Right now my intent is to enlist the help of a few people here to help create the complaint, then to get it endorsed by NARALO, and hopefully other regions and/or ALAC.
- Evan
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