2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. 12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. 16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. Last call for additional issues? Alan
Do you mean "contested"? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sender: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 12:48:15 To: NA-Discuss<na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. 12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. 16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. Last call for additional issues? Alan
Doesn't the second sentence of #13 contradict #19? In any case I still prefer the original form of #13; if you like add the word "secret" before "vote" but I'm not sure what is broken in this specific spot that needs fixing. That NARALO has used consensus more often than other regions is IMO a feature, not a bug, and needless synchronization with other regions for its own sake is not a worthwhile goal. I thought were were going for a minimal set of changes to accommodate problems specifically raised by the current voting situation; anything beyond that should be off the table right now. On 8 August 2013 12:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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I'd like to raise a question or two about paragraphs 20 and 21 20. All consensus decisions and votes of the General Assembly members shall weight all members equally. Does that give each individual members as much voting power as organizations? 21. Where these Operating Principles may conflict with the NARALO Rules of Procedure for Meetings or the Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN, these Operating Principles shall prevail. Can we unilaterally modify the MOU? Tom Lowenhaupt On 8/8/2013 2:12 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Doesn't the second sentence of #13 contradict #19?
In any case I still prefer the original form of #13; if you like add the word "secret" before "vote" but I'm not sure what is broken in this specific spot that needs fixing. That NARALO has used consensus more often than other regions is IMO a feature, not a bug, and needless synchronization with other regions for its own sake is not a worthwhile goal.
I thought were were going for a minimal set of changes to accommodate problems specifically raised by the current voting situation; anything beyond that should be off the table right now.
On 8 August 2013 12:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Second point is a good one. From a constitutional point of view, perhaps not. But simply for purposes of internal management, perhaps so. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Lowenhaupt Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 AM To: na-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures I'd like to raise a question or two about paragraphs 20 and 21 20. All consensus decisions and votes of the General Assembly members shall weight all members equally. Does that give each individual members as much voting power as organizations? 21. Where these Operating Principles may conflict with the NARALO Rules of Procedure for Meetings or the Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN, these Operating Principles shall prevail. Can we unilaterally modify the MOU? Tom Lowenhaupt On 8/8/2013 2:12 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Doesn't the second sentence of #13 contradict #19?
In any case I still prefer the original form of #13; if you like add the word "secret" before "vote" but I'm not sure what is broken in this specific spot that needs fixing. That NARALO has used consensus more often than other regions is IMO a feature, not a bug, and needless synchronization with other regions for its own sake is not a worthwhile goal.
I thought were were going for a minimal set of changes to accommodate problems specifically raised by the current voting situation; anything beyond that should be off the table right now.
On 8 August 2013 12:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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At 08/08/2013 02:46 PM, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
I'd like to raise a question or two about paragraphs 20 and 21
20. All consensus decisions and votes of the General Assembly members shall weight all members equally.
Does that give each individual members as much voting power as organizations?
No. According to 5 the GA is composed of 1 person per LAS plus the rep of the unaffiliated members.
21. Where these Operating Principles may conflict with the NARALO Rules of Procedure for Meetings or the Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN, these Operating Principles shall prevail.
Can we unilaterally modify the MOU?
Probably not, but while we are in the process of doing so (as we should), this will cover that one (minor change) plus some very significant ones in the meeting procedures. What we did was remove the prohibition on unaffiliated members being contracted parties (or their employees). Since that prohibition exists virtually nowhere else in ICANN, not even on the Board, I would not expect the Board to object to the change. Those details should probably never have been in the MOU in any case. Alan
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On 8/8/2013 2:12 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
Doesn't the second sentence of #13 contradict #19?
In any case I still prefer the original form of #13; if you like add the word "secret" before "vote" but I'm not sure what is broken in this specific spot that needs fixing. That NARALO has used consensus more often than other regions is IMO a feature, not a bug, and needless synchronization with other regions for its own sake is not a worthwhile goal.
I thought were were going for a minimal set of changes to accommodate problems specifically raised by the current voting situation; anything beyond that should be off the table right now.
On 8 August 2013 12:48, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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I recommend to add Spanish as a third language in #4 and add at the end (as it was suggested before) the words "as appropriate" so it will read as follows: *"4. The NARALO will be multilingual from its inception. Public documents will be produced in English, French and Spanish as appropriate."* * * In #17, delete the word "submitted" after the words "...an affirmation...". And just for curiosity: in #13 where it says that the Chair will break the tie: Will the fact that there is a tie be known to everyone before/after the Chair casts its vote? We have to make sure that only the chair knows about the tie otherwise everyone will know the final Chair's vote. -ed On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. 12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. 16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. Last call for additional issues? Alan
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad! D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then. D Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE. 12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior. 16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed. Last call for additional issues? Alan ------ NA-Discuss mailing list NA-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/na-discuss Visit the NARALO online at http://www.naralo.org ------
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19. - Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Indeed! Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision. 13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections. 19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat. Alan At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
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Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Thanks Alan, Some other concern that may remain is: Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point? Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.
19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
Alan
At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
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Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Hi Alan Are our NARALO Operating Policies consistent with the other RALO's? Glenn Glenn McKnight mcknight.glenn@gmail.com skype gmcknight twitter gmcknight . On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Houle Louis <Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org>wrote:
Thanks Alan,
Some other concern that may remain is:
Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.
19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
Alan
At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ______________________________**__________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-**lists.icann.org<na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>[ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-**lists.icann.org<na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ______________________________**__________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-**lists.icann.org<na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>[ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-**lists.icann.org<na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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I assume you are talking about the 2nd vote for Secretariat. I believe that the consensus was that once we have adopted the new Operating Procedures, Garth will call another vote for Secretariat. Assuming no major issues are raised tomorrow, an online vote of ALSs will be started soon after (the new rules could be approved on the call, but there is normally not sufficient numbers present to meet the 70% required for a rules change. Alan At 11/08/2013 06:51 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Thanks Alan,
Some other concern that may remain is:
Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.
19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
Alan
At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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Exactly. I will request staff begin the run-off vote when and if our OP changes are agreed upon. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:27 PM To: Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures I assume you are talking about the 2nd vote for Secretariat. I believe that the consensus was that once we have adopted the new Operating Procedures, Garth will call another vote for Secretariat. Assuming no major issues are raised tomorrow, an online vote of ALSs will be started soon after (the new rules could be approved on the call, but there is normally not sufficient numbers present to meet the 70% required for a rules change. Alan At 11/08/2013 06:51 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Thanks Alan,
Some other concern that may remain is:
Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.
19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
Alan
At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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By agreed upon, I mean formally. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Garth Bruen Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:25 PM To: 'Alan Greenberg'; Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Cc: 'NARALO Discussion List' Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures Exactly. I will request staff begin the run-off vote when and if our OP changes are agreed upon. -----Original Message----- From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 8:27 PM To: Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org Cc: NARALO Discussion List Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures I assume you are talking about the 2nd vote for Secretariat. I believe that the consensus was that once we have adopted the new Operating Procedures, Garth will call another vote for Secretariat. Assuming no major issues are raised tomorrow, an online vote of ALSs will be started soon after (the new rules could be approved on the call, but there is normally not sufficient numbers present to meet the 70% required for a rules change. Alan At 11/08/2013 06:51 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Thanks Alan,
Some other concern that may remain is:
Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :
That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.
13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.
19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.
Alan
At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote:
Indeed!
Louis Houle Président La Société Internet du Québec (ISOC Québec) Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org
Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit :
No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.
- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:
Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Thompson, Darlene [DThompson1@gov.nu.ca] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 10:55 AM To: Alan Greenberg; NA-Discuss Subject: Re: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.
D
Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: (867) 975-5631 Fax: (867) 975-5610 dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [ na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures
Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.
12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.
16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.
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