RALOs were each formed according to their own Memorandum of Understanding, which differ to some extent. However, the MoU is not a very detailed document (with a few exceptions), so the RALOs were relatively free to have variances, and in some cases did. This set of changes was not meant to address any of that. Just fix the things that are currently or in the recent past have bitten us. The number of changes illustrates that the rules DO need a cleanup since if that many things are problematic, what else is lurking there that has not bitten us recently. A few of those were identified during this discussion (such as language) and we are deferringthose less-pressing issues at this point. Alan At 12/08/2013 08:16 AM, Glenn McKnight wrote:

Yes, my point is that if we make revise our procedures and are eventual policies we need to be consistent with other RALO's which were formed by the same set of motions by the iCANN board and our charter and other RALO's are in the spirit of the original motion.

As all things the devil is in the details G

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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Garth Bruen <<mailto:gbruen@knujon.com>gbruen@knujon.com> wrote: Thanks Alan, Glenn did you have some specific concern?

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They are in general not consistent with each other (although there are certainly common themes and in some cases common rules). One of the things we have discusssed is once the new ALAC rules are in place, we should begin a discussion on overall RALO rule revision and part of that discussion is looking at to what extent they should be the same or differ.

Alan

At 11/08/2013 07:14 PM, Glenn McKnight wrote:

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Hi Alan Are our NARALO Operating Policies consistent with the other RALO's?

Glenn

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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Houle Louis <<mailto:Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org><mailto:Lou is.Houle@isocquebec.org>Louis.Houle@isocquebec.org> wrote: Thanks Alan,

Some other concern that may remain is:

Is the second vote public ? Should it be discussed and decided tomorrow? Are the procedures clear (helpful) on that point?

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Le 2013-08-10 22:49, Alan Greenberg a écrit :

That possible confusion is hopefully eliminated in the last revision.

13. now clearly says that the Chair may cast a second vote for ALAC member selections.

19. Applies only to selection of the RALO Chair and Secretariat.

Alan

At 10/08/2013 07:57 PM, Houle Louis wrote: Indeed!

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Le 2013-08-09 13:54, Evan Leibovitch a écrit : No, you're right. There is a confusion between #13 and #19.

- Evan (via mobile) On 2013-08-09 11:01 AM, "Thompson, Darlene" <<mailto:DThompson1@gov.nu.ca><mailto:DThompson 1@gov.nu.ca>DThompson1@gov.nu.ca> wrote:

Oh - ignore that last one - I hadn't read paragraph 19 yet. My bad!

D

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Refresh my memory. I had thought that we had come to a consensus that our three ALAC members would be the tie breakers for Secretariat/Chair. Also, under the proposed wording, what if the tie is the Chair position? The existing Chair can't really cast the additional vote then.

D

Darlene A. Thompson CAP Administrator N-CAP/Department of Education P.O. Box 1000, Station 910 Iqaluit, NU X0A 0H0 Phone: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5631><tel:%28867%29%20975-5631>(867) 975-5631 Fax: <tel:%28867%29%20975-5610><tel:%28867%29%20975-5610>(867) 975-5610 <mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca><mailto:dthompson@gov.nu.ca>dthompson@gov.nu.ca ________________________________________ From: <mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar <http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org [ <mailto:na-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>na-discuss-bounces@atlar <http://ge-lists.icann.org>ge-lists.icann.org] on behalf of Alan Greenberg [ <mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca><mailto:alan.g reenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 12:48 PM To: NA-Discuss Subject: [NA-Discuss] 2nd revision of NARALO Operating Procedures

Based on comments, I have made a few more changes. These are shown in BLUE.

12/13. Normal procedure in the ALAC is now to hold secret votes for elections/selections that are contended. The changes to 12 and 13 allow the NARALO to do this as well. This is in fact how we have been operating, so the change just ratifies our existing behavior.

16. Correct and error that said a suspended ALS could regain their active status by voting, but voting is the thing they are not allowed to do if inactive. Also added a provision whereby NARALO can request the the ALAC de-certify an essentially defunct ALS. The ALAC would still need to conduct due diligence, so the procedures in NARALO do not need to be exceedingly detailed.

Last call for additional issues?

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