Re: [NA-Discuss] Suspension of Posting Privileges for Eric Brunner Williams
Kieren, I do not wish to wade into this morass, but I will correct two errors in fact: - As the person who must track unaffiliated members so that I can carry out my function as their voting representative, I can say that Eric is not an unaffiliated member of NARALO. - The process of rectifying this has nothing to do with ALS certification, but requires that he send a simple three line e-mail which for reasons unknown to me he has not done although informed of the procedures. Alan At 6/21/2013 10:29 PM, Kieren McCarthy wrote:
So, to recap:
During elections, someone who says they wish to stand for chair is:
* Told they insulted someone two months earlier * Suspended from posting to an open list * Told that their credentials are not correct * Informed that they are not eligible to stand for chair
In order to be allowed to continue, this person is told to:
* Apologize for a message that so far no one has been able to ascertain who it is and what he should be apologizing for * To resubmit his ALS application - which presumably would push him past the election time
When this series of events is questioned by other members of the community, we learn the following:
* All the decisions made were made by the Chair and Secretary with some level of consultation with the ALAC chair * That it was a "really hard" decision and that those three people are committed to open discussion, despite the clear evidence otherwise
When no less than four community members continue to question the process, the response is that these three people stand by their decision. No other information is provided.
So, some questions:
* Who exactly did Eric Brunner-Williams insult and by saying what? No one on this list has seen any evidence of it.
* When exactly did the NARALO chair and secretary get to decide they could introduce arbitrary conditions for membership of the organization?
* Where are these discussions documented and why did the parties in question not use the Ombudsman process rather than decide between themselves what the appropriate action was?
* Why do "elected" NARALO representatives feel that they do not have to respond to the clear concerns expressed by the community they are there to represent?
This is really poor even for the low standards set by NARALO.
Kieren
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com>wrote:
Dear all,
as Chair of the ALAC, I am always concerned about a breaking of the inclusive atmosphere in any part of our community.
One such cause is the writing of ad-hominem accusations on the list. This ends up being archived, picked up by search engines and ultimately makes everybody look bad. I too am sad that it had to come to this - but we are all grown up people here and we do not need to pick at each other personally. I understand sometimes that debates and discussions can get out of hand. But offending other people is not the way that we'll manage to better channel the points of view of Internet users into the ICANN process - and it is not the way we'll encourage more people to get involved and to contribute, because a hostile atmosphere will scare them away. For this reason, Garth had my full support for his actions that he had to take as NARALO Chair.
If Eric feels he has been unfairly treated, the Ombudsman is indeed a possible avenue for appeal.
Best regards,
Olivier Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair
On 21/06/2013 17:07, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Our Chair can add conditions to re-instatement before a person is allowed back on the list. This particular case was discussed with the ALAC Chair as well as the NARALO leadership and this course was accepted. The Code of Conduct is a document that was agreed to by the NARALO. This action was also not taken upon just one instance of a violation of the Code of Conduct. This was the third time showing a pattern of abuse. Garth really did not want to take this action because of the perception of a "rival to his position" being silenced. However, as Chair, he did have to take action because this was about abuse of our members.
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Hiding in interpretations of wording is a really sorry state of affairs. You, and anyone that has had the misfortune of ever looking at it, knows that the affiliated, non-affiliated and ALS membership situation is a complete mess. It is also one that NARALO officials have failed to resolve despite knowing the problems for years. Producing ad hoc solutions every time it becomes a problem - and then rigidly sticking by them until the next ad hoc solution - is the epitome of poor management. Will you please get over yourselves and do what is obviously the right thing: * State that Eric Brunner-Williams is entitled to stand as chair and put him on the ballot. If necessary sort out any affiliation issues later * Remove this arbitrary requirement that he apologize to someone for a message sent two months ago * Remember that you are there to serve and represent North American users, not yourselves Kieren Kieren McCarthy CEO | .Nxt, Inc. +1 415 937 1451 kieren@dot-nxt.com | http://dot-nxt.com Find us on: Twitter <http://twitter.com/dotnxtcon> | LinkedIn<http://www.linkedin.com/company/2010841>| Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/dotnxt> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>wrote:
Kieren, I do not wish to wade into this morass, but I will correct two errors in fact:
- As the person who must track unaffiliated members so that I can carry out my function as their voting representative, I can say that Eric is not an unaffiliated member of NARALO. - The process of rectifying this has nothing to do with ALS certification, but requires that he send a simple three line e-mail which for reasons unknown to me he has not done although informed of the procedures.
Alan
At 6/21/2013 10:29 PM, Kieren McCarthy wrote:
So, to recap:
During elections, someone who says they wish to stand for chair is:
* Told they insulted someone two months earlier * Suspended from posting to an open list * Told that their credentials are not correct * Informed that they are not eligible to stand for chair
In order to be allowed to continue, this person is told to:
* Apologize for a message that so far no one has been able to ascertain who it is and what he should be apologizing for * To resubmit his ALS application - which presumably would push him past the election time
When this series of events is questioned by other members of the community, we learn the following:
* All the decisions made were made by the Chair and Secretary with some level of consultation with the ALAC chair * That it was a "really hard" decision and that those three people are committed to open discussion, despite the clear evidence otherwise
When no less than four community members continue to question the process, the response is that these three people stand by their decision. No other information is provided.
So, some questions:
* Who exactly did Eric Brunner-Williams insult and by saying what? No one on this list has seen any evidence of it.
* When exactly did the NARALO chair and secretary get to decide they could introduce arbitrary conditions for membership of the organization?
* Where are these discussions documented and why did the parties in question not use the Ombudsman process rather than decide between themselves what the appropriate action was?
* Why do "elected" NARALO representatives feel that they do not have to respond to the clear concerns expressed by the community they are there to represent?
This is really poor even for the low standards set by NARALO.
Kieren
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com
wrote:
Dear all,
as Chair of the ALAC, I am always concerned about a breaking of the inclusive atmosphere in any part of our community.
One such cause is the writing of ad-hominem accusations on the list. This ends up being archived, picked up by search engines and ultimately makes everybody look bad. I too am sad that it had to come to this - but we are all grown up people here and we do not need to pick at each other personally. I understand sometimes that debates and discussions can get out of hand. But offending other people is not the way that we'll manage to better channel the points of view of Internet users into the ICANN process - and it is not the way we'll encourage more people to get involved and to contribute, because a hostile atmosphere will scare them away. For this reason, Garth had my full support for his actions that he had to take as NARALO Chair.
If Eric feels he has been unfairly treated, the Ombudsman is indeed a possible avenue for appeal.
Best regards,
Olivier Crépin-Leblond ALAC Chair
On 21/06/2013 17:07, Thompson, Darlene wrote:
Our Chair can add conditions to re-instatement before a person is allowed back on the list. This particular case was discussed with the ALAC Chair as well as the NARALO leadership and this course was accepted. The Code of Conduct is a document that was agreed to by the NARALO. This action was also not taken upon just one instance of a violation of the Code of Conduct. This was the third time showing a pattern of abuse. Garth really did not want to take this action because of the perception of a "rival to his position" being silenced. However, as Chair, he did have to take action because this was about abuse of our members.
-- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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